Re: LyX meeting in Paris. When?

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 11:54:35PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Martin> So, what could be the 4-5 day "core" time that we should all > Martin> try to be there? Th 14 - Mo 18 July? I have to start ordering > Martin> tickets...

Re: LyX meeting in Paris. When?

2005-05-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> So, what could be the 4-5 day "core" time that we should all Martin> try to be there? Th 14 - Mo 18 July? I have to start ordering Martin> tickets... It seems that this particular week-end is indeed the one that interests the mo

Re: LyX meeting in Paris. When?

2005-05-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Michael" == Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> Martin Vermeer wrote: >> So, what could be the 4-5 day "core" time that we should all try to >> be there? Th 14 - Mo 18 July? I have to start ordering tickets... >> >> Michael> BTW: I intend to go by train. How difficult is

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> The above. I believe the _translator_ load per front end can Martin> be brought down to close to zero; as for the _coding_ load Martin> caused by the ongoing evolution of the LyX core code, that of Martin> course will never be ze

Re: Profiling LyX-140 on Mac

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 08:42:08PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:42:58PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:25:31PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > So why not solve that he other way round: Do not blink the cursor unless > > > all draws have be

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Angus> Code refactoring should be on-going, yes. However, we should Angus> drop XForms. Note that we can't drop xforms until gtk stops depending on it. JMarc

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 05:19:54PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Now there I agree. Which is why I think we should not just "drop" any > front ends. We need at least two more or less useable ones to keep GUI-I > alive, now that we have it. GUI-I has done its duty, let it die. What do we _really_

Re: Profiling LyX-140 on Mac

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 04:02:10PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:42:58PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:25:31PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > So why not solve that he other way round: Do not blink the cursor unless > > > all draws have b

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:57:23PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > OK, but that tells us also something about the current state of > incompleteness of GUI-I. Ideally, the front ends should only define a > set of primitives that the rest of LyX then uses. I am thinking of a > termcap type parametriza

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 05:45:55PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > OK, but let's then make sure gtk is minimally useable before that. We > shouldn't lose this investment (in GUI-I, I mean). The GUI-I investment has already payed off by separating GUI and core. Right now and in a foreseeable future,

Re: Profiling LyX-140 on Mac

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:42:58PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:25:31PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > So why not solve that he other way round: Do not blink the cursor unless > > all draws have been finished? > > I thought that's what Martin was planning (and it certa

Re: [Patch] Re: Timing experiments

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 11:15:02PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > @@ -1229,7 +1221,6 @@ > // real_current_font.number can change so we need to > // update the minibuffer > if (old_font != real_current_font) > - bv->owner()->view_

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 12:42:21PM +0200, Michael Schmitt wrote: > My initial tests of the Qt frontend told me that it is far away from > being stable. Actually, it seems like some stuff is broken that worked > very well in 1.3 before. Once again, I would like to raise the question > on whether

Re: [Patch] Re: Timing experiments

2005-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:46:29PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Actually it should be noted that paintText called from LyXScreen::redraw > still draws _three_ paragraphs: the one containing the cursor, and the > ones above and below, see rowpainter.C. I'm sure there is a good reason > for this w

math panel symbol

2005-05-14 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Hello LyXers, what is the name of the xpm for the QT math panel symbol "Sets limits style"? Thanks and regards Uwe

Re: Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Index: frontends/qt2/QTexinfo.C > === > RCS file: /usr/local/lyx/cvsroot/lyx-devel/src/frontends/qt2/QTexinfo.C,v > retrieving revision 1.27 > diff -u -r1.27 QTexinfo.C > --- frontends/qt2/QTexinfo.C12

Re: [PATCH 14x] spaces in file names, part I

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 04:28:52PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Given that the QDialog destroys itself (the WDestructiveClose flag is set) Yes, that's the ticket. john

Re: Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > 2. (a) Add some BibTeX bibliography (b) Insert > Cross-reference (c) > > search entry "e" (d) Find Previous => Bang! > > I take it that (b) means Insert->Citation. I get no crash, but it's not > working correctly either. I'll have a look. > > > 3. (a) Add some BibTeX

Re: Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Angus Leeming wrote: > I tried to fix that myself when adding the code to prevent a user from > adding a "file name with spaces" if LaTeX didn't support it, (see the > patch at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel:44738) but > failed. Not that I tried too hard. I'll be interested to see

Re: [PATCH 14x] spaces in file names, part I

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
John Levon wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:52:00PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > >> >> This patch, part I, changes nothing in LyX's operation. Well >> >> actually, that's not quite true; it enables the Qt Alert dialogs to >> >> know who their parent is so that dialogs are stacked in the corre

Re: Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> 5. Insert > List & TOC > BibTeX Bibliography > Add => There is an empty >> entry at the top > > I'll have a look. I tried to fix that myself when adding the code to prevent a user from adding a "file name with spaces" if LaTeX didn't support it, (see the patch at http

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Vermeer wrote: >> So, whilst multiple possible frontends is somehow "nice", it's not very >> important IMO. > > Entropy, Angus. That, and human nature. It's like with platform or > achitecture independence: if actually using multiple platforms isn't > forcing you, it _will_ slowly decay. O

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 04:01:53PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > > OK, but let's then make sure gtk is minimally useable before that. We > > shouldn't lose this investment (in GUI-I, I mean). > > What is the important legacy of the GUII project? IMO it is the clean and > un

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:41:50PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 05:19:54PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Yes... but then we should try to move them closer together again. Yes, > > some differences will remain. We should certainly have only one > > translatable string cop

Re: Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Michael Schmitt wrote: > 1. Insert > List & TOC > BibTeX Bibliography > Add > Browse => Bang! Hmm, not here. Do you have a backtrace? > 2. (a) Add some BibTeX bibliography (b) Insert > Cross-reference (c) > search entry "e" (d) Find Previous => Bang! I take it that (b) means Insert->Citation. I

Re: [PATCH 14x] spaces in file names, part I

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:52:00PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > >> This patch, part I, changes nothing in LyX's operation. Well actually, > >> that's not quite true; it enables the Qt Alert dialogs to know who their > >> parent is so that dialogs are stacked in the correct order. > > > > Alarm b

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Vermeer wrote: > OK, but let's then make sure gtk is minimally useable before that. We > shouldn't lose this investment (in GUI-I, I mean). What is the important legacy of the GUII project? IMO it is the clean and understandable code that has, eventually, been written. It will be trivial to

Re: [PATCH 14x] spaces in file names, part I

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
John Levon wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 07:22:31PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > >> This patch, part I, changes nothing in LyX's operation. Well actually, >> that's not quite true; it enables the Qt Alert dialogs to know who their >> parent is so that dialogs are stacked in the correct order.

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:33:41PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Now there I agree. Which is why I think we should not just "drop" any > > front ends. We need at least two more or less useable ones to keep GUI-I > > alive, now that we have it. > > It keeps us 'honest' you

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 05:19:54PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Yes... but then we should try to move them closer together again. Yes, > some differences will remain. We should certainly have only one > translatable string copy -- located in the common part outside the front > ends -- for every

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Vermeer wrote: > Now there I agree. Which is why I think we should not just "drop" any > front ends. We need at least two more or less useable ones to keep GUI-I > alive, now that we have it. It keeps us 'honest' you mean? Fine. > I expect that in 1.5, we can combine much of the work of ge

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 02:11:21PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:57:23PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > OK, but that tells us also something about the current state of > > incompleteness of GUI-I. Ideally, the front ends should only define a > > set of primitives that t

Re: 2 questions regarding qt2 frontend

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:08:12PM +0200, Hammer Armin wrote: > I think I know what you mean. After digging in the code, perhaps > the lyx "preferences" file would be a better place to store and retrieve > the geometry settings. We'd need to implement the session saving code that happens when e.g

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 03:57:23PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > OK, but that tells us also something about the current state of > incompleteness of GUI-I. Ideally, the front ends should only define a > set of primitives that the rest of LyX then uses. I am thinking of a > termcap type parametriz

Re: 2 questions regarding qt2 frontend

2005-05-14 Thread Hammer Armin
Hi Jean-Marc, > Hammer> On MacOsX the options doens'nt seems active. I got an "unknown > Hammer> option" error. > > Forget about it, this is done by qt/x11. > > Hammer> QSessions seems quite easy. I will give it try. > > But It seems to me that they do not provide much that cannot be done > by

Re: Profiling LyX-140 on Mac

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:42:58PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:25:31PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > So why not solve that he other way round: Do not blink the cursor unless > > all draws have been finished? > > I thought that's what Martin was planning (and it certa

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 12:19:38PM +0100, John Spray wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 12:08 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > > * send the gnome port to the Attic now. > Yes. If one ever wants to refer to it it will still be findable. Right > now it's just confusing to anyone who is new to the reposi

Re: Profiling LyX-140 on Mac

2005-05-14 Thread John Levon
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:25:31PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > So why not solve that he other way round: Do not blink the cursor unless > all draws have been finished? I thought that's what Martin was planning (and it certainly sounds right) regards john

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread John Spray
On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 12:08 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > My take on this is that we should > * have one *official* frontend, Qt, after 1.4 is out. Makes sense, although whether distributors package it like that is up to them. > * send the gnome port to the Attic now. Yes. If one ever wants to re

[Patch] Re: Timing experiments

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:43:52PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Does that look like a plan? > > Yes. Here is the latest state of the patch. Have your pleasure with it :-) I'll be out for two weeks starting Monday. - Martin Index: BufferView.C =

Re: LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
Michael Schmitt wrote: > Once again, I would like to raise the question > on whether we can really afford to maintain more than one frontend. > Wouldn't it make sense to remove even the xforms frontend for 1.4? Who > is actually using/testing it? I think one really good frontend is better > than tw

LyX frontends

2005-05-14 Thread Michael Schmitt
Hi, I am wondering about the role of the various frontends with regard to LyX 1.4. At least "gnome" and "gtk" are not usable right now and I would like to propose to 1. remove "gnome" from the CVS because it is no longer used 2. remove all "gtk" files from POTFILES so that gtk messages will not

Bug report: Qt Citations & BibTeX

2005-05-14 Thread Michael Schmitt
Hi, a couple of small bug reports regarding the Qt frontend: 1. Insert > List & TOC > BibTeX Bibliography > Add > Browse => Bang! 2. (a) Add some BibTeX bibliography (b) Insert > Cross-reference (c) search entry "e" (d) Find Previous => Bang! 3. (a) Add some BibTeX bibliography (b) Insert > Cross

Re: [patch] key event queue

2005-05-14 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Andre Poenitz wrote: > Could you just comment out the whole body of LengthCombo::noPercents() > in src/frontend/qt2/lengthcombo.C  (this is lines 62-69 or so) > and try again? It would certainly be a big surprise if that function would be called while typing. Jürgen

Re: LyX meeting in Paris. When?

2005-05-14 Thread Michael Schmitt
Martin Vermeer wrote: So, what could be the 4-5 day "core" time that we should all try to be there? Th 14 - Mo 18 July? I have to start ordering tickets... BTW: I intend to go by train. How difficult is it to get to your apartment from Paris railway station? (In particular, if you do not speak

Re: [Patch] Re: Timing experiments

2005-05-14 Thread Alfredo Braunstein
Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 09:48:45PM +0200, Alfredo Braunstein wrote: >> Martin Vermeer wrote: >> >> > // real_current_font.number can change so we need to >> > // update the minibuffer >> > if (old_font != real_current_font

Re: LyX meeting in Paris. When?

2005-05-14 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Asger> I agree with Lars that it is due time to decide the date, and > Asger> the 16th looks like the clear winner. Jean-Marc, what do you > Asger> say? > > The 1