Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-03-02 Thread Nio Wiklund
Den 2015-03-02 16:36, Lars Noodén skrev: >> Hi Lars, >> >> Walter made the alternate testcase available again, so we use it as a >> template: >> >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89862/testcases/1439/results >> >> "Alternate Install (Encryption) in Lubuntu Alternate i386 f

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-03-02 Thread Lars Noodén
> Hi Lars, > > Walter made the alternate testcase available again, so we use it as a > template: > > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89862/testcases/1439/results > > "Alternate Install (Encryption) in Lubuntu Alternate i386 for Vivid Daily " > > I think we can use the U

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Den 2015-02-27 20:06, Lars Noodén skrev: > On 27.02.2015 20:36, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >> ... >> If you do want to help with testcases, I emphasize how important it is >> to make sure that we have matching testcases for both desktop and >> alternate. Please make sure to read the documentation on

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi again Walter, You wrote "Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already have LVM set up." That statement is not true. The problem is not that bad for 32-bit Lubuntu. It works if you wipe the drive and make a new MSDOS partition table. And it is the same problem for the alternate an

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Istimsak Abdulbasir
Overall, the more test cases the better. That is the whole idea I believe. We are trying to test every aspect if Ubuntu catching anything that hurts its functionality. If we believe a test case should primary then we should make primary or optional. We want to grow our testcase database. It is als

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi again Walter, You wrote "Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already have LVM set up." That statement is not true. The problem is not that bad for 32-bit Lubuntu. It works if you wipe the drive and make a new MSDOS partition table. And it is the same problem for the alternate an

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Walter Lapchynski
I think (in general) removing testcases is a bad idea. Some testcases may be more edge cases (which I believe to be the case with encryption/LVM), at which point we can make them optional. That being said, I agree with having encryption/LVM testcases for both desktop and alternate, assuming that t

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Lars Noodén
On 27.02.2015 20:36, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >... > If you do want to help with testcases, I emphasize how important it is > to make sure that we have matching testcases for both desktop and > alternate. Please make sure to read the documentation on styles and > such. A hint on that: there's no su

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Your [bug comment][1] alone is telling, Nio. It basically agrees that it's not behaving correctly. Long story short is if you do a bunch of things that are inconsistent with the [testcase][2] and probably not intuitive to any average user, then it works. That's simply not good enough. If you do wa

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi Walter, If I can prove? In my opinion my test reports at the QA-tracker and the mails to you show in detail what I did and what results I had. If that is not enough, I'm sorry. I can't come to your place and show in your computer ;-) What I can do is write a comment in the bug report 1425681.

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-27 Thread Walter Lapchynski
I have to rely on what I hear from testers, especially when multiple testers report the same thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1425681 If you can prove that it is not true, then perhaps that might suggest other behaviors. Still, I don't want LVM to be a mandato

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-26 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi Walter, It is *not* true that LVM only works if you already have LVM set up. It works also from a blank drive (with only a partition table created by for example gparted, no partitions at all). And it works with Lubuntu Vivid 32-bit installed from the desktop as well as from the alternate insta

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-26 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already have LVM set up. This seems to be problematic. Also, it's imperative that we limit our scope in order to not get overwhelmed. We have a small team and can only do so much. The scope I consider appropriate includes packages we can support o

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-26 Thread Nio Wiklund
Den 2015-02-26 10:06, Nio Wiklund skrev: > [posting at the end] > > Den 2015-02-26 08:45, Nio Wiklund skrev: >> [posting at the end] >> >> Den 2015-02-26 07:36, Nio Wiklund skrev: >>> Den 2015-02-26 02:17, Walter Lapchynski skrev: We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate instal

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-26 Thread Lars Noodén
On 26.02.2015 08:36, Nio Wiklund wrote: >... > @ Walter: I suggest that we have at least one testcase with LVM, > encrypted disk and encrypted home. If we cannot keep the one that exists > now for the alternate iso, I suggest that we make one for the desktop iso. >... +1 it is important to be able

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-26 Thread Nio Wiklund
[posting at the end] Den 2015-02-26 08:45, Nio Wiklund skrev: > [posting at the end] > > Den 2015-02-26 07:36, Nio Wiklund skrev: >> Den 2015-02-26 02:17, Walter Lapchynski skrev: >>> We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate installer and >>> it made me really question why we have

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-25 Thread Nio Wiklund
[posting at the end] Den 2015-02-26 07:36, Nio Wiklund skrev: > Den 2015-02-26 02:17, Walter Lapchynski skrev: >> We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate installer and >> it made me really question why we have it at all. We don't have a >> similar testcase for desktop. Considering

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-25 Thread Nio Wiklund
Den 2015-02-26 02:17, Walter Lapchynski skrev: > We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate installer and > it made me really question why we have it at all. We don't have a > similar testcase for desktop. Considering the little support we have > for alternate images among the release

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-25 Thread Phill Whiteside
+1 Phillw On 26 February 2015 at 01:17, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate installer and > it made me really question why we have it at all. We don't have a > similar testcase for desktop. Considering the little support we have > for alternate ima

[Lubuntu-qa] Alternate testcase changes

2015-02-25 Thread Walter Lapchynski
We were having some trouble with LVM with the alternate installer and it made me really question why we have it at all. We don't have a similar testcase for desktop. Considering the little support we have for alternate images among the release team, I don't really with to push the envelope. That be