[Lsr] Re: Using RFC 7356 to address TLV size limitations

2024-10-31 Thread Robert Raszuk
Dear Les, Issue #2 is the limited size of a single TLV/sub-TLV. > > This is addressed by using 16 bit type/length fields. > Can you please kindly elaborate how you fit 65K octet TLV into 9K octets of jumbo frames (max practical MTU) on a link used for flooding between any two nodes ? RFC7356 say

[Lsr] Using RFC 7356 to address TLV size limitations

2024-10-31 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Note I have changed the subject line (previously was " RE: [Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests". I did this for two reasons: 1)WG Chairs and WG Members have made it clear that the ongoing discussion of Big TL

[Lsr] RFC 9667 on Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs

2024-10-31 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 9667 Title: Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs Author: T. Li, Ed., P. Psenak, Ed., H. Chen, L. Jalil, S

[Lsr] RFC 9666 on Area Proxy for IS-IS

2024-10-31 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 9666 Title: Area Proxy for IS-IS Author: T. Li, S. Chen, V. Ilangovan, G. Mishra Status: Experimental

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 9:28 AM Henk Smit wrote: >... > > There are two types of problems. > 1) Short-term problems. Which have to be fixed asap. > 2) Long-term problems. Which need a proper solution. > Container TLVs are not a good short-term solution, and not a good long-term > solution. > > Th

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Christian Hopps
Hi Aijun, [as wg-member] Please see Henk Smit’s response. I fully support what he said. We have a short term solution that the WG agrees is sufficient, and it is explicitly not Big TLV. Likewise container TLVs are not a long-term elegant solution. Thanks, Chris. > On Oct 28, 2024, at 09:22, A

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Acee and Henk: Thanks for your acknowledgements that current MP-TLV is one short term solution. I want to point out that even the “short term” solution solves only partially only two TLVs(TLV 22 and TLV 135), because it defines “what constitutes a key” for these two TLVs. It doesn’t give t

[Lsr] Re: Working Group Adoption Call for IS-IS PICs Drafts

2024-10-31 Thread Acee Lindem
The WG adoption is completed and the documents are accepted. Please republish as draft-ietf-lsr-isis-pics--00 documents (when the draft window reopens). While we didn't as much support as we would have liked, we didn't get any objections and there was a lot of support at IETF 120. Also, th

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Acee Lindem
Speaking as WG Chair: > On Oct 31, 2024, at 10:17 AM, John Drake > wrote: > > This is not a technical discussion and I think it's time for the chairs to > step in. > > Once the WG has made a decision, based upon rough consensus, you can't simply > reiterate the same unsuccessful arguments f

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Acee Lindem
Speaking as WG member: I also agree totally with this technical summary on the preferred short and long term solutions. I'd add that the motivation for a cleaner long-term solution hasn't heretofore been strong enough to override the backward compatibility and effort. Given that we haven't mo

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread John Drake
This is not a technical discussion and I think it's time for the chairs to step in. Once the WG has made a decision, based upon rough consensus, you can't simply reiterate the same unsuccessful arguments forever as you have done multiple times in the past in hopes of changing the WG consensus. 

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread John Drake
Henk, A very sensible email. John On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 06:28:32 AM PDT, Henk Smit wrote: Please stop.   > I suggest we can have a container TLV   No.   There are two types of problems. 1) Short-term problems. Which have to be fixed asap. 2) Long-term proble

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread John Drake
This is not a technical discussion and I think it's time for the chairs to step in. Once the WG has made a decision, based upon rough consensus, you can't simply reiterate the same unsuccessful arguments forever as you have done multiple times in the past in hopes of changing the WG consensus. 

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Aijun Wang
 Hi, John: Do you some technical arguments? Or please reply the technical issues that raised at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/p0BCxfjCVo7Pjb9hK_Ot1hQgJHY/ I would like to hear. I think you have noticed that we ignore your non senses response before several times. If you have no an

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread Henk Smit
Please stop. > I suggest we can have a container TLV No. There are two types of problems. 1) Short-term problems. Which have to be fixed asap. 2) Long-term problems. Which need a proper solution. Container TLVs are not a good short-term solution, and not a good long-term solution. The spli

[Lsr] Re: [Further Discussion]It's time to find one general solution to Big-TLV problem Re: IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests

2024-10-31 Thread John Drake
Why are we still discussing this?  The WG has decided that the Big-TLV draft is not where want to go, so continued discussion is simply a DoS attack on the WG's mailing list. On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 10:34:38 PM PDT, duzongp...@foxmail.com wrote: Hi, Aijun and Chiris     Som