Am 12.09.2012 17:06, schrieb Peter Senna Tschudin:
> From: Peter Senna Tschudin
>
> Remove useless kfree() and clean up code related to the removal.
>
> The semantic patch that finds this problem is as follows:
[...]
>
> Signed-off-by: Peter Senna Tschudin
Ack
ed by int_in_work() this might cause
int_in_work() to run after the post_reset method, with urb_int_in
already resubmitted, so handle that case gracefully.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
---
drivers/isdn/gigaset/bas-gigaset.c | 19 ---
1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
c, never have a chance to be excuted. This might
> lead to a heavy loaded ksoftirqd, wakeup with pending_softirq, but
> tasklet is disabled. tasklet_kill should be used in this case.
>
> Signed-off-by: Xiaotian Feng
> Cc: Hansjoerg Lipp
> Cc: Tilman Schmidt
> Cc:
o anything to help hunting this down?
Am 20.11.2012 01:14, schrieb Tilman Schmidt:
> For the 4th time now after switching to kernel 3.6, my system became
> unresponsive during the nightly Bacula backup run. It looks as if
> all disk accesses are suddenly blocked:
> - Desktop apps sto
ns
which could work just fine without network devices. But I guess not
many kernels will actually be built with CONFIG_NETDEVICES=n, so the
inconvenience is small.
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Adaptec 29160B Ultra160 SCSI adapter driving a
Tandberg TS400 LTO-2 tape drive
openSUSE 11.4 userspace
Bacula 5.2.12, all daemons on the same machine, spooling to local disk
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20 minutes spooling appears to be
part of the problem; a job which aborted after 20 mins on 3.7.1
completed in 3 mins on 3.6.11.
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m/ubuntu/linux.git linux-3.5.y
Is there a rollup patch against 3.5.7 available somewhere?
I'm very interested in this as I'm currently forced to stay with
kernel 3.5 (or revert to something even older) because of the
unresolved hangs of 3.6+ on my development machine.
Thanks
tty_port_destroy(&cs->port);
> error:
> gig_dbg(DEBUG_INIT, "failed");
> gigaset_freecs(cs);
You have already added a tty_port_destroy() call to gigaset_freecs(cs)
above. Adding another one here will lead to the port being destroyed
twice in this code path.
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oneer DVR-216D DVD-RW drive
Adaptec 29160B Ultra160 SCSI adapter driving a
Tandberg TS400 LTO-2 tape drive
Disk configuration: md RAID1, LVM, ext3 and ext4 volumes
Software: Opensuse 11.4 64 bit, vanilla kernel 3.5.7 and 3.6.7,
Bacula 5.2.12
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<4>[ 23.246558] [] rest_init+0xc1/0xc8
<4>[ 23.246558] [] ? rest_init+0x40/0xc8
<4>[ 23.246558] [] start_kernel+0x3da/0x3e7
<4>[ 23.246558] [] ? repair_env_string+0x56/0x56
<4>[ 23.246558] [] x86_64_start_reservations+0x2a/0x2c
<4>[ 23.246558] []
redesign
their working environment. Sticking to the removal schedule could
have avoided that.
HTH
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Am 16.02.2008 23:37 schrieb Jiri Slaby:
On 02/16/2008 09:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:14:30 +0100
Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
2.6.25-rc2 fails to bring up my openSUSE 10.3 PC because LVM
cannot find the volume group containing the root file system.
2.6.
re you set "write_cache_state = 1" in /etc/lvm.conf before
running the above.
That was already set by default.
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David Miller schrieb:
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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:24:56 +0100
No, that's not the real problem. Even if the kernel didn't lack
any required functionality and it could all be done today without
VirtualBox, pulling the rug from underneath it
r
for that again even if there is a previous setting.
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(maintainer of an isdn4linux driver, waiting desperately for
documentation on how to convert to the new CAPI/mISDN world
but tired of asking for it in vain)
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ssing documentation.
The step after that is to convert the remaining isdn4linux
drivers to mISDN. Then you can remove isdn4linux.
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ually, yes. But I find it unusually hard in this particular case.
In fact I have been trying to do that for two years now, without
getting anywhere. Reading code without a hint of what the authors
are trying to do is terribly time-consuming, to put it mildly.
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t, mISDN must also be in-tree,
otherwise an in-tree driver cannot rely on it. And second, someone
must understand both the old driver and the mISDN framework in
order to be able to actually do the porting. The maintainer of the
old driver can provide the first part, but knowledge about mISDN
will
Am 21.02.2008 17:46 schrieb Christoph Hellwig:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:38:28AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> (net-related cc's removed)
>>
>> This look like a startup ordering bug in mnt_want_write().
>
> Do you have CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD set?
Negat
[NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: fix smp_processor_id() in preemptible code
> warning
Yes, it does; and the system also survives substantially longer.
(IOW, it hasn't crashed on me so far.)
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Am 22.02.2008 01:40 schrieb Tilman Schmidt:
>>
>> [NETFILTER]: nf_conntrack: fix smp_processor_id() in preemptible code
>> warning
>
> Yes, it does; and the system also survives substantially longer.
> (IOW, it hasn't crashed on me so far.)
Which of course it
Cosmetic changes to drivers/isdn/gigaset/ev-layer.c and
drivers/isdn/gigaset/gigaset.h to improve readability.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
---
drivers/isdn/gigaset/ev-layer.c | 119 +++
drivers/isdn/gigaset/gigaset.h |9 ++-
2 files changed, 64
Fix up some of the readibility deterioration caused by last year's
ISDN whitespace coding style cleanup.
Note that the checkpatch complaints all apply to the state of the
source before this patch as well, and in many cases even more so.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
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drivers/isdn/d
Some firmware releases of Gigaset M105 do not accept AT+VLS=0 command
in DLE mode, so always leave DLE mode before sending the command.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
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drivers/isdn/gigaset/ev-layer.c |5 +
1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
diff --git a/drivers/isdn
Rearrange the gigaset_freecs() function to make it more readable,
and adapt gigaset_initcs() accordingly.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
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drivers/isdn/gigaset/common.c | 31 +--
1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
diff --git a/drivers/isdn/gigaset
Avoid forward declarations and remove a needless initialization.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
---
drivers/isdn/gigaset/interface.c | 46 -
1 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)
diff --git a/drivers/isdn/gigaset/interface.c b/drivers/isdn
If subtracting 12 from l leaves zero we'd do a zero size allocation,
leading to an oops later when we try to set the NUL terminator.
Reported-by: Dan Carpenter
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt
CC: stable
---
drivers/isdn/gigaset/capi.c |2 ++
1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 dele
Karsten, David,
here's a series of six patches to the ISDN subsystem. Please consider
for application to net-next. The last one should also go into -stable
and is tagged "CC: stable" accordingly.
Thanks,
Tilman
Tilman Schmidt (6):
isdn/divert: fix readability damage
: stable for networking
> patches, you ask me to queue them up into my -stable patch queue
> for networking instead.
I see. Is there somewhere I can read up on the workflow for networking
patches and how it fits in with the general plan of things?
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;s any interest.
Am 20.11.2012 01:14, schrieb Tilman Schmidt:
> For the 4th time now after switching to kernel 3.6, my system became
> unresponsive during the nightly Bacula backup run. It looks as if
> all disk accesses are suddenly blocked:
> - Desktop apps stop responding one a
Paul E. McKenney schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 01:52:53AM +0100, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
So the nf_conntrack BUG is fixed, but the crash (and of course the
swapper "spinlock bad magic" BUG) persists.
Do you have CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT set? That would help find any other
bugs
a design document available? Or will there be some non-PCI
driver soon, perhaps even one for a USB device? That would be
immensely helpful.
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> 1 lock held by gigasetm101d/5970:
> #0: (&cs->hw.ser->dead_mutex){--..}, at: [] mutex_lock+0x1c/0x1f
[...]
> Who is at fault here?
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> you find it inconvenient to use, you're doing something wrong and
> you don't know it.
That's what I'm thinking. What I'm trying to do can't be that
different from what all those happy git users are doing. I guess
if I could
On Nov 27 2007 23:33, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> >
>> >Well, it did. So now I'm back to keeping a virgin kernel source tree
>> >alongside my development area in order to produce diffs. That can't
>> >be right?
>> >
>> No, it can't. Use
Haavard Skinnemoen schrieb:
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> No, use "git rebase --interactive" ;-)
What's that? I can't find it in "man git-rebase".
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Does somebody have a step by step tutorial for doing the standard
"edit - test - modify - retest - submit - edit - resubmit" sequence
with GIT? Is there a GIT newsgroup or mailinglist? Or should I just
post my silly questions to LKML?
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driver. The port works purrfectly fine, including non-trivial
use of the modem control lines. I'm sure I would have noticed
any existing problems by now.
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going, so it's a good place.
I have asked on the util-linux-ng mailing list but received
a flat refusal by Karel:
I don't think that util-linux-ng is there for this purpose. It's not
place for HW specific tools. Sorry.
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Add a paragraph to Documentation/usb/power-management.txt about the
interaction between suspend and disconnect.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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--- linux-2.6/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt2007-10-14
00:41:
ernel/sched.c is perhaps not quite innocent either.
Also it doesn't seem right that the entire kernel compilation
aborts just because of a failed sparse run.
Opinions?
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> +Documentation/usb/persist.txt.)
Fine by me.
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irqrestore(&ucs->lock, flags);
>
> I'm suspecting that a plain old `int' would be more appropriate here.
You're right. That's a prehistoric leftover. That variable was
originally accessed using atomic_set_mask() and atomic_clear_mask()
which are unfortunately x86 pla
are saying amounts to: "Code that isn't fit to be included in the
mainline kernel isn't fit to exist at all."
I'm not sure I can agree with that.
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:56:47 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 01:09:14AM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> Am 25.10.2007 00:31 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
>> > Generally, the goal is to get external modules included into the kernel.
>> > [...] even though it
Greg KH schrieb:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 11:46:39AM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> [...] I still think there will always be
>> a number of external modules that cannot be merged right now or at
>> all, and deliberately making life difficult for out-of-tree code
>> mai
Adrian Bunk schrieb:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 11:46:39AM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:56:47 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 01:09:14AM +0200, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>>>> [...] Once you admit that there is code which, for
/me wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/kernel/linux-2.6.23-mm1-work> make
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s to improve the kernel.
That's good. If that was consensus then this discussion would
not be necessary. What I am protesting against is attempts to
change the API purposely to obstruct out-of-tree code. That is
not a way to improve the kernel.
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Am 28.10.2007 15:37 schrieb Stefan Richter:
> Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> Am 28.10.2007 10:25 schrieb Stefan Richter:
>>> You two are hypothesizing.
>> No, we're not. We're discussing the very real issue of whether
>> LSM should be amputated in such a way as t
e in-tree code is always better than out-of-tree code. But
I maintain there will always be out-of-tree code (modules, drivers,
whatever) that fills a real need not (though hopefully, just not
yet) satisfied by any in-tree code. All I'm asking for is that you
take a pragmatic stance with
t; is and isn't secure. Security is subjective. It's how you feel
>> about it.
>
> Hmm. So lets add automagic security module. It magically fixes
> security holes, and you can feel good about it.
Send patch.
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Am 29.10.2007 20:10 schrieb Alan Stern:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>
>> From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Add basic suspend/resume support to the usb_gigaset driver.
>
>> @@ -117,6 +122,11 @@ static struct us
Am 29.10.2007 23:43 schrieb Emil Medve:
> Removed duplicates defined elsewhere
>
> Signed-off-by: Emil Medve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Acked-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
for:
> diff --git a/drivers/isdn/gigaset/gigaset.h b/drivers/isdn/gigaset/gigaset.h
> in
Am 28.10.2007 20:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 07:51:12PM +0100, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> Am 28.10.2007 02:55 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
>>> Justifying anything with code with not GPL compatible licences has zero
>>> relevance here.
>>>
>>
Am 30.10.2007 22:01 schrieb Andrew Morton:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:41:30 +0100 (CET)
> Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Add basic suspend/resume support to the usb_gigaset driver.
>> (Correc
Am 30.10.2007 09:52 schrieb Oliver Neukum:
> Am Montag 29 Oktober 2007 schrieb Tilman Schmidt:
>> --- a/drivers/isdn/gigaset/usb-gigaset.c 2007-10-23 01:48:12.0
>> +0200
>> +++ b/drivers/isdn/gigaset/usb-gigaset.c 2007-10-24 00:47:32.0
>>
e.
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On my test machine with a Pentium D 940 processor, Intel DQ965GF
mainboard and SATA disks, kernel 2.6.22-git17 (32 bit build) fails
to come up because it cannot find the disk drives. Same issue
with a clone of the 'linus' git tree. Anything known?
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Ok, scrap this. Turns out it wasn't a good idea to answer 'Y' to
the new XEN config option during "make oldconfig". After changing
it to CONFIG_XEN=n, all's well again. Sorry for the noise.
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th initcall_debug=1?
"Before" and "after" meaning with CONFIG_XEN=n and CONFIG_XEN=y, I
suppose. The resulting logs are a bit biggish, so I have put them on
http://www.phnxsoft.com/~ts/linux/ for download. Let me know if you
prefer having them mailed.
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> Andi, any thoughts about how to debug the suse boot sequence?
>
> J
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blem report?
That seems to be the crux of the matter: how to measure subjective
usability issues (aka user experience) when simple reports along the
lines of "A is much better than B for everyday work" are not enough.
The same problem already impaired the "fair scheduler" discussion.
nough, so I'll try that first, although it looks
to me like the trouble happens before udev comes into play.
> Booting with 'confirm' will allow you to step each runlevel script, see
> /etc/init.d/boot, look for DO_CONFIRM=.
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Alright, I know what's going on now, and it looks like a problem with
the Opensuse init script. In fact, the initrd for the Xen enabled
kernel got a *different* init script than the one for the non-Xen one.
The difference being:
--- /tmp/testing/init 2007-07-24 15:53:58.0 +0200
+++ /tmp/
uses to load a self-compiled,
Xen enabled 2.6.23-rc1 kernel as dom0, complaining:
DOM0 image is not an Xen-compatible Elf image.
So I guess the point is moot, because you cannot use the same image
as dom0 and natively, anyway.
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Am 23.07.2007 11:47 schrieb Michal Piotrowski:
> Virtualization
>
> Subject : 2.6.22-git17 boot failure (XEN)
> References : http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/22/266
> Last known good : ?
> Submitter : Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cause
ld be:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/2/219
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Am 25.08.2007 05:30 schrieb Andrew Morton:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:47:59 +0200 Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> - on console early during boot, also in SuSE's /var/log/boot.msg:
>>>>
>>>> your system time is not correct:
>>>
o merge it. So you've got a bunch of patches
(aka -ck) which visibly improve the overall responsiveness of a desktop
system, but apparently no one can conclusively explain why or how they
achieve that, and therefore they cannot be merged into mainline.
I don't have a solution to that dilemma
nels to properly implement flow control?
Could this be related?
http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/18/245
Quote:
"I've recently found (using 2.6.21.4) that configuring a serial ports
(ST16654) which use the 8250 driver using setserial results in the
UART's FIFOs being disabled (unless y
Perhaps I should.
(downloading ... running ... failing ... installing python-twisted ... running
...)
Ok, now I do.
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inability, and consequently refrain from accusing of provocation
where there may be none. Hanlon's razor, cynical as it may sound at
first, is an eminently humanistic principle.
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Am 14.10.2007 00:11 schrieb Tilman Schmidt:
> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="-testing"
[...]
> has worked fine for all of 2.6.23{-rc?{,-mm?},}. For 2.6.23-mm1
> [there is] "make modules_install" installing the
> modules into /lib/modules/2.6.23-mm1 instead of
> /lib/mo
TECTED]
+<4>i810fb_alloc_fbmem: can't bind framebuffer memory
+<4>i810fb: probe of :00:01.0 failed with error -16
<6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
<6>serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
<6>seria
ue that it has been
marked as obsolete for quite some time, but it's still needed anyway.
Its designated successor, the CAPI subsystem, so far only supports
a very limited range of hardware. Dropping isdn4linux now would leave
the owners of some very popular ISDN cards out in the cold.
Thanks,
Ti
aemon?
Is there an appropriate place in or near the kernel tree for
stuff like that?
Thanks
Tilman
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Subject: [PATCH] Gigaset ISDN driver error handling fixes
From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
Am 22.01.2007 14:42 schrieb Thomas Hellström:
>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:52:36 +0100 Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> With kernel 2.6.20-rc4-mm1 and all hotfixes, i810fb fails to load on my
>>> Dell Optiplex GX110. [...]
>>
> Can you try t
s: add state tracking, fix
> From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> fix bug in hrtimer_is_queued(), introduced by a cleanup during
> the recent refactoring.
>
> Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Acked-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ---
keeps the
complete set in case there are plans to use them yet.
Thanks
Tilman
From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Move line discipline number definitions from architecture specific
asm/termios.h files to linux/tty.h.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
---
From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Update to Documentation/tty.txt on line disciplines.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
---
tty.txt | 115 +---
1 files changed, 103 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)
---
y: Jiri Slaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Acked-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(for drivers/isdn/gigaset/interface.c)
> ---
> commit 2acac8f970a75a3dc8466781845ae5d14c3d8988
> tree 396cc84d4e198d2a65cd4aa9748aabeab5681ba5
> parent 8b380d8b1c3ff7d09d68d467d2f135774cab4086
> au
earlier one
include/net/checksum.h:31:27: originally declared here
Architecture is i386. The lines referred to are in the functions
csum_and_copy_to_user() and csum_and_copy_from_user(), but I
don't see why sparse would emit such a warning for that code.
Any chance of getting rid of these?
Rename the variable "sum" in the __range_ok macros to avoid name
collisions causing lots of "symbol shadows an earlier one" warnings
by sparse.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
---
asm-arm/uaccess.h |4 ++--
asm-arm26/uaccess-asm.h |
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:19:44 -0800 (PST), Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In order to not get in trouble with MADR ("Mothers Against Drunk
> Releases") I decided to cut the 2.6.20-rc3 release early rather than wait
[...]
> At which point the first thing on any self-respecting geek's mind should
> obviou
a) Remove #define acrobatics that have become unnecessary by
the move of asyncdata.o into the common part.
b) Correct the rule for building the common part into the kernel when
some or all hardware specific parts are built as modules.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
---
From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mark some static arrays as const that aren't and shouldn't be modified,
and remove incorrect static attribute from some variables.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Signed-off-by: Hansjoerg Lipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
From: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mark some static arrays as const that aren't and shouldn't be modified,
and remove incorrect static attribute from some variables.
Signed-off-by: Tilman Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Signed-off-by: Hansjoerg Lipp <[EMAIL PROTE
Am 25.02.2007 11:42 schrieb Pavel Machek:
> On Wed 2007-02-21 00:12:28, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
>> Am 20.02.2007 23:52 schrieb Robert P. J. Day:
>>> "deprecated" means that there *is* a complete replacement available
>>> *right now* and you should consider switch
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