Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:19:24 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Florin Malita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 06/14/2007 05:39 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> Back when GPLv2 was written, the right to run was never considered an > >> issue. It was taken for granted, because copyright

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 01:38:41 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > #define Dell CFG_FAVOURITE_VENDOR > > > > A Dell desktop machine is a piece of hardware. The manufacturer has the > > source code (hypothetically) to the BIOS. The BIOS is requir

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 02:29:32 Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote: > > As a simple matter of fact, the *only* activities covered by the GPLv2 > > are "copying, distributing and modifying". It says so in the license > > itself. > > Unless I have explicitly installed linux myself in the box, I have > r

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 02:59:31 Jesper Juhl wrote: > > > All quite valid reasons in my opinion. > > > > and all wrong. > > > > Look up the owning and controlling interests in Tivo and you'll find the > > correct reason - stopping you doing evil things like keeping movies > > you've recorded or upl

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 04:25:24 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 21:44 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > Agreed. I said I wasn't going to argue about it because there *ARE* > > distinctions that the law makes and the GPL ignores. You can't have it > &

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 02:24:37 Michael Gerdau wrote: > > Because GPLv2 doesn't enforce limitations on the hardware a GPL'd work > > can be put on. It doesn't make artificial distinctions between > > "Commercial", "Industrial" and "User". What it does is *ATTEMPT* to > > ensure that nobody receivin

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 05:30:09 Bernd Paysan wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 01:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > if you cannot modify the software that runs on your Tivo hardware you > > haven't tried very hard. > > Yes, but the GPLv2 clearly says that you don't have to try very hard. The > preferr

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 05:17:44 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 04:58 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > > If the module is distributed 'as a separate work', _then_ what you say > > > is true: the only reason you'd have a right to the source is

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 06:18:59 David Greaves wrote: > Daniel Hazelton wrote: > >> Now for a different PoV: > >> Do I think Tivoisation is bad for the community ? > >> Of course I think it is but your mileage may vary. > > > > And I happen to agree with yo

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 06:02:11 Bernd Paysan wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 07:24, Theodore Tso wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 08:20:19PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > So, you see, your statement above, about wanting to be able to use > > > other people's improvements, cannot be taken wi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 07:45:22 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > And, as I've taken the time to explain to you, lacking any clear > > statement, written at the exact same time as the license, a > > statement of > > > intent or spirit cannot have any real legal weight when the text of a > > license is fin

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 07:32:01 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Ven 15 juin 2007 12:53, Jesper Juhl a écrit : > > On 15/06/07, Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > by your argument, the user has some "right to modify the > >> > >> software", on > >> > >> >> > that piece of hardware it b

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 06:49:05 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 06:03 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > In other words, it applies to *SECTIONS* of the code, not to individual > > object code files. This is why kernel modules can have their own, > > separate li

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 12:22:16 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:45:43AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Carlo Wood wrote: > > The way "collective works" work, there are two separate copyrights: there > > is the copyright in the "separate contribution", which i

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 09:02:54 Carlo Wood wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:33:51AM -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > Incorrect. Read section 9 of the GPLv2. It's pretty clear that the "any > > later version" clause is optional. Whats more is that since the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 09:12:43 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 14:58 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If even linking was considered 'mere aggregation on a volume of a > > > storage or distribution medium', then when would the 'But whe

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 15:37:04 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 15 June 2007 02:59:31 Jesper Juhl wrote: > >> it doesn't say anything about being able to run a compiled version > >> o

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 15:49:15 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 11:23 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > Actually, I don't see where it explicitly states that it only covers > > > derived work. > > > > See "Section 0": > > > > The "

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 15:49:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:19:24 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> IANAL, but AFAICT it doesn't. Still, encoded in the spirit (that > >> re

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 16:04:15 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:39:50 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > You&#x

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 17:24:24 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> PS: Note that Stallmans motivation was *SOURCE* *CODE* *ACCESS* - > >> nothing > > > > else. > > Not, it was to be able to modify

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 17:45:16 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 15 June 2007 15:37:04 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > On Frid

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 18:06:11 Michael Gerdau wrote: > > > I find it obvious that the GPL was meant to prevent such to be > > > possible. This is what I mean by the "the spirit of the GPL". > > > > Umm. It may well have been meant by *rms*. But your argument fatally > > falls down on the fact that

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 19:39:57 Michael Gerdau wrote: > > > > What matters is *my* intent in *choosing* the GPLv2, not *his* > > > > intent in writing it. > > > > > > I beg to differ. By adopting _his_ license you adopted his view. [...] > > > > ianal, but fortunately that's not what the law is. Th

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 20:22:50 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > it irreversibly cuts off certain people from being to distribute > >>

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 23:44:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives > >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > >> that legi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 22:16:30 Bron Gondwana wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What happens if you're debugging something you think is a bug in the > > > Linux kernel and then you run bang i

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 12:57:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bernd Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> What this means for the FSF goals if Tivo get up one morning and switch > >>> their system

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 13:14:29 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:22:21AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > because it could easily be argued that they

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 04:21:04 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 15 June 2007 23:44:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 20

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 15:27:37 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see how TiVO has done this. They have placed no restrictions on > > *modification* at all. What they have done is placed a restriction o

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 18:01:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 04:21:04 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > In

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 21:49:56 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 15:27:37 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 16, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I d

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 21:54:56 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I obviously wasn't clear enough. The only way to come into complience > > with GPL3dd4 is to reduce your ability to fix things or grant everyone > > else the ability to mess wit

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 16 June 2007 23:31:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But each of those arguments is based on a technicality. > > They're based on the Free Software definition, that establishes the > four freedoms

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 00:19:49 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 21:54:56 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> There may be laws that require certification or limitations on the > >> user. M

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 01:09:01 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> I've already explained what the spirit of the GPL is. > > > > No. You've explained one thing only: that you cannot see that people

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 02:27:42 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2007 01:09:01 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 17, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 09:54:39 Michael Poole wrote: > Daniel Hazelton writes: > > But your server doesn't run the internet. TiVO may use phone lines to > > connect a device to their server (and this is an example - I don't know > > how TiVO devices actually

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 14:46:05 Michael Poole wrote: > Daniel Hazelton writes: > > On Sunday 17 June 2007 09:54:39 Michael Poole wrote: > >> Daniel Hazelton writes: > >> > But your server doesn't run the internet. TiVO may use phone lines to > >> > c

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 17 June 2007 15:32:34 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 17, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 17 June 2007 09:54:39 Michael Poole wrote: > >> What in the world makes you think there is a useful analogy > >> between communication

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-25 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 25 May 2007 12:55:21 Daniel Hazelton wrote: > As to the performance - I can see absolutely no reason why the minimal > version shouldn't perform the same (or better). The kernel codes memset and > memcpy routines have been heavily tested *and* optimized over the years and

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
Test code for this version (take 4) of the minimized LZO1X (from the liblzo v2) is complete. I don't see a significant slow-down comparing the complete liblzo2 to this minimized code on my system (Pentium M 1.73GHz, 1GB Ram, Kubuntu Feisty (stock Kubuntu kernel)). Rather, I see the opposite.

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 04:37:04 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/28/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Test code for this version (take 4) of the minimized LZO1X (from the > > liblzo v2) is complete. > > > > > > I don't see a significant slow-dow

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 05:08:54 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/28/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 28 May 2007 04:37:04 Nitin Gupta wrote: > > > On 5/28/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > &

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 05:46:59 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/28/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 28 May 2007 05:08:54 Nitin Gupta wrote: > > > On 5/28/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Monday 28 May 2007 04:

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 10:40:31 Nitin Gupta wrote: > Hi, > > Attached is tester code used for testing. > (developed by Daniel Hazelton -- modified slightly to now use 'take 6' > version for 'TinyLZO') > > Cheers, > Nitin > I haven&

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 11:30:55 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 08:10:31PM +0530, Nitin Gupta wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Attached is tester code used for testing. > > (developed by Daniel Hazelton -- modified slightly to now use 'take 6' > > versi

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 11:47:55 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/28/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 08:10:31PM +0530, Nitin Gupta wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Attached is tester code used for testing. > > > (devel

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 13:01:09 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 11:55:14AM -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > >... > > This is my guess as well. Though performance will likely drop when I make > > the noinline macro mean something. (This may be offset by figuring

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 13:11:15 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:33:32PM +0530, Nitin Gupta wrote: > > On 5/28/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >... > > > >> - then ensure that it works correctly on all architectures and > > > > Already tested on x86, amd64, ppc (by Bret).

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 13:11:15 Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:33:32PM +0530, Nitin Gupta wrote: > > On 5/28/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >... > > > >> - then ensure that it works correctly on all architectures and > > > > Already tested on x86, amd64, ppc (by Bret).

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 16:18:40 Daniel Hazelton wrote: > On Monday 28 May 2007 13:11:15 Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:33:32PM +0530, Nitin Gupta wrote: > > > On 5/28/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >... > > > > >

Re: stuff ready to be deleted?

2007-05-28 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 28 May 2007 16:52:07 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Oliver Pinter wrote: > > + open sound system > > yeah, that one's so obvious, i don't even list it anymore. :-) i'm > assuming adrian's going to deal with that when the time comes. > > rday And I thought OSS was being k

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 01:48:29 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/29/07, Bret Towe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/28/07, Nitin Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Attached is tester code used for testing. > > > (developed b

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 08:03:55 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/29/07, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 09:08:27AM +0100, Michael-Luke Jones wrote: > > > On 28 May 2007, at 18:11, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > >> I have not seen any explanations: > > >> - Why did the upstream a

Re: JFFS2 using 'private' zlib header (was [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6)

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 09:33:51 Michael-Luke Jones wrote: > On 29 May 2007, at 12:27, Satyam Sharma wrote: > > Right, actually, zlib could be switched over to [using a common > > directory]. > > Because zlib_deflate/ and zlib_inflate/ too share a private header > > zutil.h which has unfortunately b

Re: JFFS2 using 'private' zlib header (was [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6)

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
ip-the-checksum thing could actually be put into zlib proper. (?) This *is* a good idea. If someone doesn't beat me to it I'll make sure I've got the latest git and do up a patch that does this. DRH > > > So moving this header to a truly private location isn't possibl

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 01:58:43 Nitin Gupta wrote: > On 5/29/07, Bret Towe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tested this on ppc and its still good > > > > is there any reason to bother with a test on amd64? > > if there is I might be able to get to it tonight > > Yes, this test is desired on 'take 6'

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 16:14:34 Daniel Hazelton wrote: > On Tuesday 29 May 2007 01:58:43 Nitin Gupta wrote: > > On 5/29/07, Bret Towe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > tested this on ppc and its still good > > > > > > is there any reason to bother with a t

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
All problems I was having with the test-bed code have been solved, and the error I was running into was, as I suspected, in the code I used to fill the buffer for the random-data test. Results of running the new benchmark (version 6 of the benchmark, version 6 of 'tinyLZO'): 1 run averages:

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
I just noticed a bug in my testbed/benchmarking code. It's fixed, but I decided to compare version 6 of the code against the *unsafe* decompressor again. The results of the three runs I've put it through after changing it to compare against the unsafe decompressor were startling. `Tiny's` compre

Re: JFFS2 using 'private' zlib header (was [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6)

2007-05-30 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 01:31:19 Mark Adler wrote: > On May 29, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Satyam Sharma wrote: > > skipping some checksum calculation if some > > flag (PRESET_DICT) is absent from the input stream about to > > be decompressed ... > > You don't need to dissect the header manually to look fo

Re: JFFS2 using 'private' zlib header (was [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6)

2007-05-30 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 19:02:28 Mark Adler wrote: > On May 30, 2007, at 6:30 AM, Satyam Sharma wrote: > > [1] For your reference, here is the user code in question: > > ... > > >if (srclen > 2 && !(data_in[1] & PRESET_DICT) && > > ((data_in[0] & 0x0f) == Z_DEFLATED) && > >

Re: JFFS2 using 'private' zlib header (was [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 6)

2007-05-31 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 19:02:28 Mark Adler wrote: > On May 30, 2007, at 6:30 AM, Satyam Sharma wrote: > > [1] For your reference, here is the user code in question: > > ... > > >if (srclen > 2 && !(data_in[1] & PRESET_DICT) && > > ((data_in[0] & 0x0f) == Z_DEFLATED) && > >

Re: Patch related with Fork Bombing Atack

2007-06-01 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 01 June 2007 02:48:59 Anand Jahagirdar wrote: > On 5/31/07, Jens Axboe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, May 31 2007, Anand Jahagirdar wrote: > > > 2) Printk message in my patch will definitely help Administrator/Root > > > User to detect which particular user is trying fork bombing

Re: Patch related with Fork Bombing Atack

2007-06-01 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 01 June 2007 03:30:20 Jens Axboe wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > On Friday 01 June 2007 02:48:59 Anand Jahagirdar wrote: > > > On 5/31/07, Jens Axboe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 31 2007, Anand Jahagirdar wrot

Patch [1/1] Remove JFFS2 dependancy on zlib private header

2007-06-01 Thread Daniel Hazelton
will never change - defined in RFC 1950) Signed-off-by: Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> diff --git a/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c b/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c index 2b87fcc..9f1b935 100644 --- a/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c +++ b/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c @@ -16,7 +16,6 @@ #include #include #include -#in

[Trivial Patch] Remove JFFS2 dependency on internal Zlib header

2007-06-02 Thread Daniel Hazelton
that that constant - PRESET_DICT - was part of the zlib standard and defined in RFC 1950. So, to remove the dependency the simplest recourse is to replace PRESET_DICT with the 'magic number' it represents. Signed-off-by: Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DRH diff --git a/fs/jff

Re: fair clock use in CFS

2007-05-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 14 May 2007 07:50:49 Ingo Molnar wrote: > * William Lee Irwin III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 12:31:20PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > please clarify - exactly what is a mistake? Thanks, > > > > The variability in ->fair_clock advancement rate was the mistake,

Re: [Trivial Patch] Remove JFFS2 dependency on internal Zlib header

2007-06-02 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 02 June 2007 20:21:13 Prakash Punnoor wrote: > Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > Signed-off-by: Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > DRH > > > > diff --git a/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c b/fs/jffs2/compr_zlib.c > > index 2b87fcc..9f1b935 100644

[Trivial Patch] Remove JFFS2 dependency on internal Zlib header (take 2)

2007-06-02 Thread Daniel Hazelton
No code besides zlib itself should depend on linux/zutil.h - the only item JFFS2 uses from that header is a constant that is defined in RFC 1950 and should never change. This patch mirrors the #define in zutil.h and removes the #include. Signed-off-by: Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Patch related with Fork Bombing Atack

2007-06-03 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 03 June 2007 19:01:21 Nix wrote: > On 1 Jun 2007, Jens Axboe told this: > > I think Anand is assuming that because syslog may coalesce identical > > messages into "repeated foo times" in the messages file, that it's not a > > dos. That is of course wrong. > > Not all syslog daemons do tha

Re: Patch related with Fork Bombing Atack

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 04 June 2007 10:58:41 Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Anand Jahagirdar wrote: > >I am forwarding one improved patch related with Fork Bombing > > Attack. This patch prints a message (only once) which alerts > > administrator/root user about fork bombing attack. I crea

Re: [PATCH -mm 0/5] LZO and swap write failure patches for -mm

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 04 June 2007 11:36:18 Richard Purdie wrote: > The following series contains several patches which I'm hoping could see > some testing in -mm. They're all been seen before at some point. The LZO > ones are important due to the dependent patches, the swap write failure > ones have just fall

Re: [PATCH -mm 0/5] LZO and swap write failure patches for -mm

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 04 June 2007 12:52:55 Richard Purdie wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 12:14 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > On Monday 04 June 2007 11:36:18 Richard Purdie wrote: > > I have been involved in benchmarking and testing that stripped down and > > kernel-style version

Re: [PATCH -mm 0/5] LZO and swap write failure patches for -mm

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 04 June 2007 16:45:55 Richard Purdie wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 13:37 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > Yes - most of that work, IIRC, is related to the alignment issues that > > Herr Oberhumer noted. As it stands, the alternative does work well for a > >

Re: [PATCH] intel-rng: Undo mess made by an 80 column extremist

2007-06-07 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 07 June 2007 17:17:18 Krzysztof Halasa wrote: > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The intel-rng printed a nice well formatted message when the port was > > disabled. Someone then came along and blindly trashed it by screwing up a > > trim down to 80 columns. > > Perhaps we should

Re: [PATCH] intel-rng: Undo mess made by an 80 column extremist

2007-06-07 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 07 June 2007 18:46:25 Jesper Juhl wrote: > On 08/06/07, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 07 June 2007 17:17:18 Krzysztof Halasa wrote: > > > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > The intel-rng printed a nic

Re: [PATCH] intel-rng: Undo mess made by an 80 column extremist

2007-06-07 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 07 June 2007 18:37:45 Krzysztof Halasa wrote: > Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why? My consoles are *all* still 80x24 text mode. It's only if I decide > > to monkey with the settings (and why fix what isn't broken?) or when I'm >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 10 June 2007 08:45:41 Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Neil Brown wrote: > > I presume the heirs of the dead people could change the license. And if > > they have no heir, then there is no-one to sue for breach of copyright, > > so I assume the copyright lapses. > > In most of t

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 10 June 2007 09:40:23 Alan Cox wrote: > > But I think this is largely academic. You only need a fairly small > > number of fairly significant contributors to say "no" and the rest of > > the process would be pointless. And at last count, the number of > > kernel people who were not keen

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-27 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 22:37:42 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 27, 2007, "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Behind a barrier is not on a medium customarily used for software > > interchange, which 3a requires. > > Are you per chance claiming that you've never heard of anyone > rece

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-27 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 28 June 2007 00:45:18 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 27, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Section 3 doesn't apply to this situation. However, other sections > > do. They are distributing in line with the distribution requirement, > &g

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 29 June 2007 17:27:34 Rene Herman wrote: > On 06/29/2007 11:05 PM, Bodo Eggert wrote: > > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Indeed if its public domain you may have almost no rights at all > >> depending what you were given. Once you get the source code you can do > >> stuff but I

Re: [OT] Re: Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-30 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Saturday 30 June 2007 08:02:16 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jörg, > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 12:39:57PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 12:27 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: >

Re: [RFC] LZO de/compression support - take 4

2007-05-25 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 25 May 2007 09:38:24 Richard Purdie wrote: > > > I am however still strongly of the opinion that we should just use the > > > version in -mm (which is my latest version). > > > > Right, if the difference is anything >10%, code cleanup does lose > > its attractiveness. > > Agreed, and I s

Re: Style Question

2007-03-11 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 11 March 2007 16:35:50 Jan Engelhardt wrote: > On Mar 11 2007 22:15, Cong WANG wrote: > > Another question is about NULL. AFAIK, in user space, using NULL is > > better than directly using 0 in C. In kernel, I know it used its own > > NULL, which may be defined as ((void*)0), but it's _st

Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea

2007-04-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 09:47:32 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: > [..] > > > Well, that was totally useless answer from the ZFS developers. What > > he should have told you is to contact Sun management, since they are > > the only ones who can decide whether or n

Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea

2007-04-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 11:46:38 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 03:47:32PM +0200, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > >> Realy can't or don't want (?) > >> So who is responsible for potential changing Linux code licensing for > >> allow if not i

Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea

2007-04-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 15:58:09 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > [..] > > >> Why on discussion about switching to GPL v3 Linux code this argument was > >> allways taken as "piece of cake". Why in case switching to anot

Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea

2007-04-17 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Tuesday 17 April 2007 18:12:17 David Lang wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 15:58:09 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > >> [..] > >> > >>>> Why on discussion

Re: console font limits

2007-05-03 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 03 May 2007 20:39:05 H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Kyle Moffett wrote: > > Actually I think the real problem was that "KD_GRAPHICS" got overloaded > > to mean "some userspace program is probably poking at the GPU in very > > direct ways possibly including /dev/mem". As such it really isn't s

Re: console font limits

2007-05-06 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 04 May 2007 11:34:40 Jesse Barnes wrote: > On Thursday, May 03, 2007, Antonino A. Daplas wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 23:58 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 May 2007 20:39:05 H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > > Kyle Moffett wrote: > > &

Re: assembly code in the loadable kernel module

2007-04-27 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 27 April 2007 07:57:58 Marat Buharov wrote: > On 4/27/07, Parav K Pandit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DISCLAIMER: > > This message (including attachment if any) is confidential and may be > > privileged. Before opening attachments please check them for viruses and > > defects. MindTree

Re: Back to the future.

2007-04-27 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 27 April 2007 21:44:48 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > On Saturday, 28 April 2007 03:12, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > It's doubly bad, because that idiocy has also infected s2ram. Again, > > > > another thing that really makes no sense at all

apm platform device cleanup

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Hazelton
In checking a "make allmodconfig" I noticed that the apm device (arch/i386/kernel/apm.c) is still using the old pm_send_all setup - I know the fix is to add suspend/resume hooks but the apm code hasn't been touched since 2002 and isn't using the new device API (it doesn't even register, AFAICT,

Re: condingstyle, was Re: utrace comments

2007-04-30 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 30 April 2007 13:09:17 Andrew Morton wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100 Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've separated this out under a new subject because some style issues > > that so far aren't documented explicitly are in doubt here, and Roland > > wants and

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 16 September 2007 05:17:53 J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=118857712529898&w=2 > > > > Link with outdated info. > > > > > http://madwifi.org/browser/branches/ath5k > > > > Link with ou

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Sunday 16 September 2007 14:48:47 Can E. Acar wrote: > On Sunday 16 September 2007 15:23:25 Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > On Sunday 16 September 2007 05:17:53 J.C. Roberts wrote: > >> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >> > J.C. Roberts wrote: >

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