Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-25 Thread Christoph Rohland
David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Very correct except for one thing, allocation fails and ipcs -u > shows 4097 when the limit shows 4096. safemode reports that > eventually the kernel crashes. This may be due to the test9 > 'features' and a side affect, or it may be something to keep in

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-25 Thread David Ford
Very correct except for one thing, allocation fails and ipcs -u shows 4097 when the limit shows 4096. safemode reports that eventually the kernel crashes. This may be due to the test9 'features' and a side affect, or it may be something to keep in mind once we get things nailed down a bit. -d

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-25 Thread Christoph Rohland
safemode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The sum of the Bytes used in the 4096 entries ipcs shows is WAY off from the > bytes used in df if that's what you wanted to know.df shows 109K in > use... and that's easily beaten by the first entry in ipcs > > -- Shared Memory Segments >

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-24 Thread Christoph Rohland
Hi David, David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think it's time to get Christoph on the line and see what he has > to say. The 4096 number is a limit to the system, you can have a > max of 4096 shared memory segments systemwide. Do you know offhand > which programs are using(abusing) shm?

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-24 Thread Matthew Kirkwood
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, safemode wrote: > Reply ALL also results in 2 mails being sent instead of one but of > course this is usually not a problem since one is going direct and the > other is going through vger, but still... it's kind of wasteful to > resources and i dont see any harm in Reply-to b

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread Daniel Stone
> safemode wrote: > > > Mark Hahn wrote: > > > >> this has nothing to do with the linux kernel. > >> X itself does not use shm for anything. apps may use > >> an X extension (XSHM) which uses shm segments to exchange > >> image data without copying through a socket, but that's > >> an extension,

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
safemode wrote: > Mark Hahn wrote: > >> this has nothing to do with the linux kernel. >> X itself does not use shm for anything. apps may use >> an X extension (XSHM) which uses shm segments to exchange >> image data without copying through a socket, but that's >> an extension, not inherent to X

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
Mark Hahn wrote: this has nothing to do with the linux kernel. X itself does not use shm for anything.  apps may use an X extension (XSHM) which uses shm segments to exchange image data without copying through a socket, but that's an extension, not inherent to X. > Ok, compiling using a cvs of X

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > SHM segments are increasing (they only go away when X closes) .. swap seems > to be stable for nowhere is the ipcs -u output If they all go away when X closes, it seems that X is at fault. -d -- "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
Alan Cox wrote: > I have about 16 after 2 days. Thats a fairly typical desktop (gnome panel, > gfm and everything else is a terminal window) Whoa now?! 16 shm segments?if that's true something is terribly wrong with either X or the kernel's handling of shm that's scary. this is cu

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
19.5 day uptime on test8 and 4.01b, ~13 segments, ~350K all user 'david'. 4 day uptime on test8 and 4.01c, ~16 segments, 256 bytes used by user 'postgres'. test9 is very broken, we know it is :] There are a bunch of OOPSes and complaints about the VM. -d safemode wrote: > Ok, compiling using

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
safemode wrote: > Ok, compiling using a cvs of X i got a couple hours ago, I'm just > wondering what the average segment number is for SHM on an X session > that has been up for a while i'll get back with any sort of info > on if the SHM problem has been solved with this latest CVS or if i

Re: Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
Ok, compiling using a cvs of X i got a couple hours ago, I'm just wondering what the average segment number is for SHM on an X session that has been up for a while i'll get back with any sort of info on if the SHM problem has been solved with this latest CVS or if it continues to look like

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2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > Reply ALL also results in 2 mails being sent instead of one but of course this is >usually not a problem since one is going direct and the other is going through vger, >but still... it's kind of wasteful to > resources and i dont see any harm in Reply-to being sent in the he

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > safemode wrote: > > > i'll get back about the latest xfree86 in about 2 hours .. but if anyone has any >other ideas > > or info i can give ...it's not problem. test8 seems stable enough to keep itself >up until > > i'm ready to reboot. > > I should hope, I have a 20 day upt

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, safemode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >One more little complaint.. why doesn't vger replace the FROM to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] like any other sane mailing list ... i >keep going to Reply and not sending to the list. At least add a >reply-to tag like the proftpd mailin

Munging reply-to headers etc. (was: Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM)

2000-09-23 Thread Henrik Størner
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> safemode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [mega snip] See http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html for all of the good reasons why the vger lists behave just the way they should. -- Henrik Storner | "Crackers thrive on code secrecy. Cockcroaches breed <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > i'll get back about the latest xfree86 in about 2 hours .. but if anyone has any >other ideas > or info i can give ...it's not problem. test8 seems stable enough to keep itself up >until > i'm ready to reboot. I should hope, I have a 20 day uptime so far. -d -- "Ther

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > safemode wrote: > > > One more little complaint.. why doesn't vger replace the FROM to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] like any other sane mailing list ... i > > keep going to Reply and not sending to the list. At least add a > > reply-to tag like the proftpd mailing list has if you

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
2.4.0-test8-vm3 seems quite stable with this CVS of X After running xawtv and gqmpeg ...which would quickly die due to shm being maxed .. it still works and shows ~ 839 segments ..not really moving from it And after 20 min with all the apps i had open before, still not in swap. Which on test9,

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > safemode wrote: > > > It seems to me that test8-vm3 handles this fine. in test9 upon loading X i was > > already using swap and down to 10MB ... here i have netscape loaded and some other > > stuff along with gaim and i've got 36MB free still. I'm not so sure you can chal

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > It seems to me that test8-vm3 handles this fine. in test9 upon loading X i was > already using swap and down to 10MB ... here i have netscape loaded and some other > stuff along with gaim and i've got 36MB free still. I'm not so sure you can chalk > this up totally to X ...

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > XFree86 Version 4.0.1b / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) > Release Date: 11 August 2000 > > =) > > Are you by chance using cvs X from after september 10th? If so, hop on the > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and post your comments there

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > One more little complaint.. why doesn't vger replace the FROM to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] like any other sane mailing list ... i > keep going to Reply and not sending to the list. At least add a > reply-to tag like the proftpd mailing list has if you want to keep the > FROM tag as

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
Shaw Starr repored on [EMAIL PROTECTED] that a fresh checkout of 4.01d and fresh build of X resulted in a fixed/working shm w/ X. -d safemode wrote: > When in doubt. . Blame it on the biggest piece of crap around .. X.One can > say using a cvs of X is the cause of this by somehow i doubt i

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread Mohammad A. Haque
Use your client Reply all function. that'll get itint here. I personally think the list is fine the way it is because I dont need to worry about whether or not the person who sent the message is on the list or not by default. But that's just me. safemode wrote: > > One more little complaint..

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
XFree86 Version 4.0.1b / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 11 August 2000 =) Are you by chance using cvs X from after september 10th? If so, hop on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and post your comments there. There is another gentlemen wit

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
One more little complaint.. why doesn't vger replace the FROM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] like any other sane mailing list ... i keep going to Reply and not sending to the list. At least add a reply-to tag like the proftpd mailing list has if you want to keep the FROM tag as the original sender. Da

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
I think it's time to get Christoph on the line and see what he has to say. The 4096 number is a limit to the system, you can have a max of 4096 shared memory segments systemwide. Do you know offhand which programs are using(abusing) shm? -d safemode wrote: > David Ford wrote: > > > No, those

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > No, those two are often empty. Does the total of the first group's bytes > column match the used column of df? > > -d The sum of the Bytes used in the 4096 entries ipcs shows is WAY off from the bytes used in df if that's what you wanted to know.df shows 109K in use... a

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > safemode wrote: > > > xawtv will still work but gqmpeg cannot run. shget returns no memory > > available on any app trying to access it. Well, hope that tells > > someone something because i'm stumped .. something in shm seems > > broken.. or the vm is. > > what does

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
David Ford wrote: > safemode wrote: > > > xawtv will still work but gqmpeg cannot run. shget returns no memory > > available on any app trying to access it. Well, hope that tells > > someone something because i'm stumped .. something in shm seems > > broken.. or the vm is. > > what does

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread David Ford
safemode wrote: > xawtv will still work but gqmpeg cannot run. shget returns no memory > available on any app trying to access it. Well, hope that tells > someone something because i'm stumped .. something in shm seems > broken.. or the vm is. what does 'ipcs' show? a huge list or a lot o

Re: problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
i did an strace on gqmpeg and xawtv ..this is what gqmpeg showed when trying to play a file select(9, [8], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 1 (in [8], left {0, 0}) read(8, "c", 1) = 1 select(9, [8], NULL, NULL, {0, 0}) = 1 (in [8], left {0, 0}) read(8, "e", 1)

Problem with 2.4.0-test9-pre6 seems to be SHM

2000-09-23 Thread safemode
In running xawtv i stumbled upon a very interesting message shmget: No space left on device yet df -m shows shm 8192 108 8084 2% /var/shm I'm not sure what's going on here, /var/shm shows a BUNCH of files in it.. and none of my partitions are even close to be