Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-04 Thread Linux Now
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, David S. Miller wrote: >Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: Gregory McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >[gregm@tweetie gregm]$ uname -a >Linux tweetie.comstar.net 2.4.0-test7 #20 Sat Sep 2 16:17:06 EDT 2000 i686 >unknown >[gregm@tweetie gr

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-04 Thread David S. Miller
Date:Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [gregm@tweetie gregm]$ uname -a Linux tweetie.comstar.net 2.4.0-test7 #20 Sat Sep 2 16:17:06 EDT 2000 i686 unknown [gregm@tweetie gregm]$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn 1 Works jus

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-04 Thread Adam
does anyone has so far came out with a standard "form"/letter I can just forward to offending site? It seems another "guilty" site is www.borland.com, while I would like to let them know, I not too eager nor have time right now to come up with a well written rational letter explaining the problem

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-03 Thread Gregory McLean
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Richard Torkar wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Bob_Tracy wrote: > > > I *thought* I wanted to buy some memory from Crucial :-). Can't > > get there from here with my 2.4.0-test7 machine, but Win95 seems > > to be ok, and 2.

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-03 Thread David Ford
Just set the advertised MSS to 1476, all will be well. -d Elmer Joandi wrote: > Mark Hahn wrote: > > > I'm curious to know what you mean. > > That is your websurfing session. > But try on some 100+ size network to set some > hops go trough a tunnel... the variety of behaviour > and reasons for

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-03 Thread Elmer Joandi
Mark Hahn wrote: > I'm curious to know what you mean. That is your websurfing session. But try on some 100+ size network to set some hops go trough a tunnel... the variety of behaviour and reasons for it are way larger there. I mean a network that is not completely under your control. neither a

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Alex Buell
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, David S. Miller wrote: > If Alan or myself tell Cisco about this bug, they are very unlikely to > move very fast. But if some of their largest site customers begin to > moan, expect a more timely fix :-) I have an contact at Cisco - I'll certainly raise this with him. Cheer

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread David Ford
I wrote:[...] err, s/MTU/MSS/ where applicable ;) -d -- "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." begin:vcard n:Ford;David x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:http://www.kalifornia.com/images/parad

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread David Ford
Elmer Joandi wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > > > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. > > > > So mail lots of people. Cisco are I think now aware that their firewall > > products dont handle ECN correctly but others might not be. > > > > Or wait until more vendors roll out

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread David Ford
So make noise. I tried a post at /. but it wasn't accepted. We have power in our [tiny] voices when used enmasse. -d Graham Murray wrote: > David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. > > What is the best way to handle sites whi

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Matti Aarnio wrote: > On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 04:12:04PM +0200, Elmer Joandi wrote: > > > There is another big problem like that... > > tunnels actually do not work on todays real internet... > > MTU 1500 is so much a standard that it starts killing tunnels. > > MTU < 15

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Andi Kleen
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 12:07:04PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't think they're mostly linux based. You can easily do > > that misconfiguration with most firewalls (i've often see it > > with Checkpoint for example) > > One word: masquerading. Unless they're using prehistoric kerne

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Alan Cox
> > Or wait until more vendors roll out ECN > > There is another big problem like that... > tunnels actually do not work on todays real internet... > MTU 1500 is so much a standard that it starts killing tunnels. > MTU < 1500 is not a working solution today thanks to (mostly > linux based ? ) bro

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread David S. Miller
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:12:11 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. So mail lots of people. Cisco are I think now aware that their firewall products dont handle ECN correctly but others might not be. T

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Elmer Joandi
Matti Aarnio wrote: > From personal experience I can say that even cisco router training > includes example of: "block ALL of ICMP", which of course makes > TCP PMTU discovery non-functional. Yeah, there is the general problem with such a stuff: if something becomes d

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread kernel
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: > > There is another big problem like that... > > tunnels actually do not work on todays real internet... > > MTU 1500 is so much a standard that it starts killing tunnels. > > MTU < 1500 is not a working solution today thanks to (mostly > > linux based ? ) b

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Matti Aarnio
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 04:12:04PM +0200, Elmer Joandi wrote: > There is another big problem like that... > tunnels actually do not work on todays real internet... > MTU 1500 is so much a standard that it starts killing tunnels. > MTU < 1500 is not a working solution today thanks to (mostly

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Andi Kleen
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 04:12:04PM +0200, Elmer Joandi wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > > > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. > > > > So mail lots of people. Cisco are I think now aware that their firewall > > products dont handle ECN correctly but others might not be. >

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Elmer Joandi
Alan Cox wrote: > > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. > > So mail lots of people. Cisco are I think now aware that their firewall > products dont handle ECN correctly but others might not be. > > Or wait until more vendors roll out ECN There is another big problem l

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Alan Cox
> There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. So mail lots of people. Cisco are I think now aware that their firewall products dont handle ECN correctly but others might not be. Or wait until more vendors roll out ECN - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscri

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread Graham Murray
David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There are a -lot- of large sites that give us issues like this. What is the best way to handle sites which block connections using ECN? Is it best for everyone who detects this to write individually to each site which they find can be accessed with "echo

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-09-02 Thread David Ford
"David S. Miller" wrote: >Date:Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:35:59 +0200 >From: "Andi Kleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Try echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > > And if this makes it work send a very large and loud complaint > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] telling them to fix their firewalls not >

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-08-29 Thread David S. Miller
Date:Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:35:59 +0200 From: "Andi Kleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn And if this makes it work send a very large and loud complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] telling them to fix their firewalls not to block IP traffic from hosts implemen

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-08-29 Thread Andi Kleen
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 08:39:48AM -0500, Bob_Tracy wrote: > I *thought* I wanted to buy some memory from Crucial :-). Can't > get there from here with my 2.4.0-test7 machine, but Win95 seems > to be ok, and 2.4.0-test5 worked ok from a different location > yesterday. Has anyone else seen this k

Re: www.crucial.com won't talk to 2.4.0-test7 system

2000-08-29 Thread Richard Torkar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Bob_Tracy wrote: > I *thought* I wanted to buy some memory from Crucial :-). Can't > get there from here with my 2.4.0-test7 machine, but Win95 seems > to be ok, and 2.4.0-test5 worked ok from a different location > yesterday.