Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-17 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > +On the triviality of replacing words > + > + > +The African slave trade was a brutal system of human misery deployed at > +global scale. Some word choice decisions in a modern software project > +does next to nothing to compensate for that legacy. So why

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:41 PM Kees Cook wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:02:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > > Recent events have prompted a Linux position statement on inclusive > > terminology. Given that Linux maintains a coding-style and its own > > idiomatic set of terminology here is

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Pavel Begunkov
On 04/07/2020 23:02, Dan Williams wrote: > Recent events have prompted a Linux position statement on inclusive > terminology. Given that Linux maintains a coding-style and its own > idiomatic set of terminology here is a proposal to answer the call to > replace non-inclusive terminology. > > Cc: J

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Arvind Sankar
On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 06:55:05AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:02:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > > +Non-inclusive terminology has that same distracting effect which is why > > +it is a style issue for Linux, it injures developer efficiency. > > I'm personally thinki

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Tibor Raschko
Sending the wrong message === I'm pretty sure everybody agrees that being inclusive is more than just using the right words. Being truly inclusive means not caring about the origin, birth, age, sex, skin color (amongst other things) at all. This means not judging people bas

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Chris Mason
On 5 Jul 2020, at 0:55, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:02:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: >> +Non-inclusive terminology has that same distracting effect which is >> why >> +it is a style issue for Linux, it injures developer efficiency. > > I'm personally thinking that for a no

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Michael Shigorin
Hi guys, do you think playing with words will really get you anywhere or help anyone? > +On the triviality of replacing words You're not going to make white black, make a native African white, or fix age-old crimes by this "triviality". You're only going to sort of please those who actua

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-05 Thread Daniel Palmer
Hi Willy, On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 13:55, Willy Tarreau wrote: > I'm personally thinking that for a non-native speaker it's already > difficult to find the best term to describe something, I'm a nobody in the kernel world but this point made me think. I'm a native English speaker but I don't live

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology -- Black and white does not refer to race.

2020-07-05 Thread nipponmail
You have it all wrong. The black in blacklist refers to women, as in the yin and the yang. The white refers to men: a constructive force. (While the women are destructive in society: always pitting the whitelist (men) against each-other, because said list didn't obey the blacklist (where women bel

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-04 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:02:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > +Non-inclusive terminology has that same distracting effect which is why > +it is a style issue for Linux, it injures developer efficiency. I'm personally thinking that for a non-native speaker it's already difficult to find the best

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-04 Thread Kees Cook
On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:02:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > Recent events have prompted a Linux position statement on inclusive > terminology. Given that Linux maintains a coding-style and its own > idiomatic set of terminology here is a proposal to answer the call to > replace non-inclusive te

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-04 Thread Randy Dunlap
On 7/4/20 1:02 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > Recent events have prompted a Linux position statement on inclusive > terminology. Given that Linux maintains a coding-style and its own > idiomatic set of terminology here is a proposal to answer the call to > replace non-inclusive terminology. > > Cc: Jon