RE: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-14 Thread David Schwartz
> On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bob Johnston wrote: > > Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > > > > Why not just use the terms: > > > > * outdated - as a replacement for "deprecated". > > > > > > Because they don't actually mean the same thing ? > > > > "superseded" would probably be a better word,

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-14 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bob Johnston wrote: > Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > > Why not just use the terms: > > > * outdated - as a replacement for "deprecated". > > > > Because they don't actually mean the same thing ? > > "superseded" would probably be a better word, perhaps lacking th

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-14 Thread Bob Johnston
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > Why not just use the terms: > > * outdated - as a replacement for "deprecated". > > Because they don't actually mean the same thing ? "superseded" would probably be a better word, perhaps lacking the negative connotations of "deprecated" > > * toberemo

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-14 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On May 13 2007 12:32, Dave Jones wrote: Despite repeated attempts over the last two and half years, this driver seems somewhat persistant. Remove its deprecated status as it has existing users who may not be in a position to

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 13 May 2007 23:01:51 + (UTC) Bob Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stefan Richter s5r6.in-berlin.de> writes: > > So why don't we simply say: > > > > - "Users of feature A are urged to migrate to alternative B." > > - "Feature C will be removed in February 2038." > > > > Ever

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Bob Johnston
Stefan Richter s5r6.in-berlin.de> writes: > So why don't we simply say: > > - "Users of feature A are urged to migrate to alternative B." > - "Feature C will be removed in February 2038." > > Everybody understands the meaning of /that/. Why not just use the terms: * outdated - as a replacem

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Stefan Richter
Tilman Schmidt wrote: > Am 13.05.2007 22:10 schrieb Stefan Richter: >> So why don't we simply say: >> >> - "Users of feature A are urged to migrate to alternative B." >> - "Feature C will be removed in February 2038." > > Because that's too long to add to a Kconfig tag line. > You need a terse

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Tilman Schmidt
Am 13.05.2007 22:10 schrieb Stefan Richter: > So why don't we simply say: > > - "Users of feature A are urged to migrate to alternative B." > - "Feature C will be removed in February 2038." Because that's too long to add to a Kconfig tag line. You need a terse label there. -- Tilman Schmidt

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Stefan Richter
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 13 May 2007, Stefan Richter wrote: > >> Except that the term "obsolete" is already used differently in the >> context of Linux kernel features; see Documentation/ABI/README. > > no, it isn't. in fact, it's used in that file *exactly* the way i've > been defining

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Sun, 13 May 2007, Stefan Richter wrote: > Except that the term "obsolete" is already used differently in the > context of Linux kernel features; see Documentation/ABI/README. no, it isn't. in fact, it's used in that file *exactly* the way i've been defining it: "obsolete/" "This directory d

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Stefan Richter
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 13 May 2007, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >>> in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its >>> "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. >> it is deprecated and obsolete. > > no, it's not. and,

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Stefan Richter
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > p.s. before we get into this again where everyone thinks they know > what they're talking about, i suggest consulting the official > definitions of those two terms as defined at > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/conform.html: > > Deprecated: > -- [...] > Obsolete: >

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Sun, 13 May 2007, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its > > "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. > > it is deprecated and obsolete. no, it's not. and, trust me, no one on this list w

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > in short, do *not* remove its "deprecated" status. rather, remove its > "obsolete" status and *make* it deprecated. it is deprecated and obsolete. Gruss Bernd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a me

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Sun, 13 May 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On May 13 2007 12:32, Dave Jones wrote: > > >Despite repeated attempts over the last two and half years, this > >driver seems somewhat persistant. Remove its deprecated status as > >it has existing users who may not be in a position to migrate their

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Dave Jones
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 06:35:45PM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >- tristate "RAW driver (/dev/raw/rawN) (OBSOLETE)" > >+ tristate "RAW driver (/dev/raw/rawN)" > >depends on BLOCK > >help > >- The raw driver permits block devices to be bound to /dev/raw/rawN. > >- Once

Re: undeprecate raw driver.

2007-05-13 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On May 13 2007 12:32, Dave Jones wrote: >Despite repeated attempts over the last two and half years, this driver >seems somewhat persistant. Remove its deprecated status as it has >existing users who may not be in a position to migrate their apps >to O_DIRECT. > >Signed-off-by: Dave Jones <[EMAI