Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-11 Thread David Ford
I simply crontab an ECN off period for five minutes every hour and flush the mail queue. David. Holger Lubitz wrote: >"H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > >>I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure >>ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN >>on ker

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Michel Eyckmans (MCE)
> I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure > ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN > on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their > loss, not ours. I agree it's the server side that will eventuelly push it throu

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Holger Lubitz
"H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure > ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN > on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their > loss, not ours. This is what we do here, too. The only e

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2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > > > > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of > > >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't h

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of > >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. > >This would be no worse. > > ACK

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:God <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > Agreed. For now ECN has been disabled here. I got tired of so many sites > not supporting it that I gave up. Maybe by 2.8.x kernels it will be worth > turning back on. Thats not to say h

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. >This would be no worse. ACK Which do you mean? : -Hosts that don't have valid PTRs (which wou

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: > To: Matthew Geier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > > > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard > > > email ask them that their site was non-conformant. [snip] > > > > > > I tried to

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:10:29AM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: > Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these > > non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? > > And AOL is sure crazy enough

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Horst von Brand
Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these > non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? And AOL is sure crazy enough to "break compatibility with everybody" just out of courtesy to someone's friend

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:31:23PM -0400, jamal wrote: > Folks, > > ECN is about to become a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks to > efforts from the Linux community, a few issues were discovered > in the course of deploying the code. Special kudos go to Alexey > Kuznetsov and David Miller. [snip] An

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > > This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. > > Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released > > patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the > > site owners. > > Help is needed

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Matthew Geier
> This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. > Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released > patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the > site owners. > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread Billy Harvey
> This was the big argument I was running into from sites, "well it > isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something about it". The > larger sites like to avoid updates until absolutely necessary. Good grief - nothing like planning ahead ... and these large-site administrators actually acc

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, jamal wrote: > Any one wishing to volunteer, please still send your emails in -- > we should be ready in a few days from now, > I guess i should have mentioned the IESG is sitting in to approve ECN as proposed standard in about a week or so. cheers, jamal - To unsubscribe

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, David S. Miller wrote: > > I believe it would only be prudent to actually send out these messages > starting at the moment ECN is officially standard. > > This was the big argument I was running into from sites, "well it > isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something ab

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread David S. Miller
jamal writes: > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard > email ask them that their site was non-conformant. > Point them to Sally's draft and the fact that ECN is becoming standard > in the next week or so. Also to Jeff's ECN-under-Linux Unofficial > Vendor

ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
Folks, ECN is about to become a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks to efforts from the Linux community, a few issues were discovered in the course of deploying the code. Special kudos go to Alexey Kuznetsov and David Miller. I wont go into details of the issues other than to say some midlle-box vend