Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On 1/6/2014 9:44 AM, Eli Marmor wrote: I want to overwrite the OS of Sony U by a MOD version of Android, without the garbage of Sony, but I am afraid to destroy the phone because of lack of experience in such upgrades; what do you recommend to do? And regarding the specific phone: Actually, i

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Eli Marmor
Wow! Thank you very very much! Last time I checked was before Dec. 3, so I didn't see it. It helps a lot! But now I'm more afraid: 15 steps, badly written, some of them ambiguous, when any small mistake or misunderstanding, damages the phone... I'll have to re-consider it. Thanks again! On Mon

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On 1/6/2014 10:39 AM, Eli Marmor wrote: Wow! Thank you very very much! You are welcome. Last time I checked was before Dec. 3, so I didn't see it. It helps a lot! But now I'm more afraid: 15 steps, badly written, some of them ambiguous, when any small mistake or misunderstanding, damages th

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2014/1/6 geoffrey mendelson : > On 1/6/2014 2:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: >> >> Sounds a bit harsh. A device cannot possibly become less useful with >> time than it was when you bought it (barring a HW malfunction). If it >> did then what it says on the tin it will still do it now, won't it? >> W

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:14:58AM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > Depends on the OS and it's support but yes... (my n900 still has great > support and if it wasn't falling apart as a result of severe abuse > would still be using it, but that's also a much more open system, > we'll see what happens

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On 1/6/2014 11:14 AM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: Depends on the OS and it's support but yes... (my n900 still has great support and if it wasn't falling apart as a result of severe abuse would still be using it, but that's also a much more open system, we'll see what happens with the Jolla now) Soft

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
geoffrey mendelson writes: > So all Android 2 devices, almost all 2 year old cell phones, can no > longer buy or update an app. > So yes, the phones become less useful, and eventually no use at all. I discern two patterns: 1. App is absolutely critical for me, way more important than making

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"E.S. Rosenberg" writes: > On 1/6/2014 2:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: >> >> Sounds a bit harsh. A device cannot possibly become less useful with >> time than it was when you bought it (barring a HW malfunction). If it >> did then what it says on the tin it will still do it now, won't it? >> With

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2014/1/6 Oleg Goldshmidt : > geoffrey mendelson writes: > >> So all Android 2 devices, almost all 2 year old cell phones, can no >> longer buy or update an app. > > > >> So yes, the phones become less useful, and eventually no use at all. > > I discern two patterns: > > 1. App is absolutely criti

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On 1/6/2014 12:02 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: We are not discussing past-EOL versions here, so the implicit assumption is that critical security updates are provided, without downgrading functionality. But they are not. While very few companies are providing Android 4 upgrades for Android two

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Udi Finkelstein
The N900, at least the ones I have, start falling apart sooner-or-later due to GSM chip BGA solders getting loose (like the red-ring-of-death on Xbox 360). The symptom is a yellow banner saying that all Telephony functions are disabled. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66870 I have 2 phones t

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2014/1/6 Oleg Goldshmidt : > "E.S. Rosenberg" writes: > >> On 1/6/2014 2:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: >>> >>> Sounds a bit harsh. A device cannot possibly become less useful with >>> time than it was when you bought it (barring a HW malfunction). If it >>> did then what it says on the tin it will

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
geoffrey mendelson writes: > On 1/6/2014 12:02 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: >> We are not discussing past-EOL versions here, so the implicit >> assumption is that critical security updates are provided, without >> downgrading functionality. > > But they are not. While very few companies are provid

Re: Chinese KitKat

2014-01-06 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On 1/6/2014 12:56 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: AFAIK, there is no indication (not that I check obsessively) that Gingerbread went the way of XP [chuckle]. You said yourself that you see 2.x devices being sold today. Personally, I know I am behind on the patchlevel, but upgrading is a MUCH bigger

Why does it take the debian-7.3.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso installer so long to install inside a VirtualBox VM?

2014-01-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, I installed Debian 7.x.0 from the LXDE CD (debian-7.3.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso ) into a VirtualBox VM (both i586 and x86-64) several times in the past, and was always frustrated at how long the installation process is. I specifically ask it not to contact a remote mirror, but the installation

Re: Why does it take the debian-7.3.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso installer so long to install inside a VirtualBox VM?

2014-01-06 Thread Geoff Shang
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Shlomi Fish wrote: P.S: another thing that annoys me about Debian is the fact that apt-get -y dist-upgrade still sometimes halts the installation process to ask me questions and prompts. This is a big misfeature and I wonder if there's a way to make apt-get completely non-int

Re: Why does it take the debian-7.3.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso installer so long to install inside a VirtualBox VM?

2014-01-06 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 10:26:45PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > P.S: another thing that annoys me about Debian is the fact that apt-get -y > dist-upgrade still sometimes halts the installation process to ask me > questions and prompts. This is a big misfeature and I wonder if there's a > way to mak