Re: adsl usb modems

2003-01-21 Thread Diego Iastrubni
here are the links to this usb driver: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/eciadsl-usermode-0.6-2.i386.rpm I think it is for this modem: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?lang=fr&modem=17 can anyone confirm that? is this the Rotal modem mentioned in hetz ho

Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Yotam Medini
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites whose main category is about computers. Let me suggest a candidate: www.ksp.co.il -- yotam = To

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
good idea, thugh thats mean 99% of the sites out there :( -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: "Yotam Medini"

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Orr Dunkelman
I think this should be done very carefully. A way to do so (if someone picks the glove and decide to build and maintain such a list) is just like in spamcop.net about Open relays. The site should rationally explain why it is good to support also non Windows and non-IE browsers, what are the releva

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 11:14, Yotam Medini wrote: 1) sending once is enough. 2) who are you ? 3) if you want that kind of list, create it first ! then ask for help maintaining \ hosting it. tal. > Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting > Linux browsers. A specific c

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Orr Dunkelman wrote: > I think this should be done very carefully. I agree with the notes of Orr and would like to add a few more. For each reported site there should be a short explanation in what way is it broken and possibly a contact name who reported the problem. As t

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote: > > Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting > Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites > whose main category is about computers. > > Let me suggest a candidate: > >www.ksp.co.il Have a look at http:/

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Altman
Maybe create a whitelist instead? In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might start making decisions based on the list and site owners might start getting concerned. This can be done in ad

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: > > Maybe create a whitelist instead? > > In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the > category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might > start making decisions based on the list and site owners mig

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote: > > Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting > Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites > whose main category is about computers. > > Let me suggest a candidate: > >www.ksp.co.il > Seems to work in Mozil

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Adir Abraham
And how will that help us to achieve anything, if at all? "Black listing" a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list is found in some newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem. The opposite is the truth - it may increase hateness, and mind-blocking. Do you think that

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers Yap, and let's establish "black list" of : - applications, that can not be run in text mode. - OSs that can not be booted from only diskette - users, that doesn't know to work with keyboard - something else?  Somebody run  2.4 with Gnome

Re: Samsung ADSL modems

2003-01-21 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 19:30 Asia/Jerusalem, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: I had on the contrary things - that Bezeq decided to stop ordering Alcatel modems. Any idea why? Do they have other external ethernet modems to replace it? =

Re: Samsung ADSL modems

2003-01-21 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> Any idea why? Do they have other external ethernet modems to replace it? Why? to move from PPPoA to PPPoE. replacement: Samsung Ethernet modem (300IL) - which got mixed results regarding long term connections... Thanks, Hetz = T

Re: [OT] is Linus really a traitor?

2003-01-21 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Wed, 15 Jan: > > "[Transmeta] claims its approach offers increased security for wireless > computing, protects sensitive data, "deters intellectual property > theft" (read Digital Rights Management (DRM) Inside) and delivers > tamper-resistant, x86 storage

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote: > ps. I have started to overtake a project which is nearly finished. > It is using a lot of javascript and - though I have not tested it yet - > I am nearly sure it won't work in a lot of browsers except IE 6.0 > > The customer at this point cannot afford to

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers > > Later - rewrite the site based on standards. > Where can I read about those standards? AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other browsers;-), what standards say about it? Using CSS is it in standard?

Re: OT: Revolution Vs Reform

2003-01-21 Thread Evgeny Stambulchik
Guy Baruch wrote: I think rms and the FSF guys are revolutionaries, while OS guys are reformers. Hmm, depends what is a "revolutionary". Either a) an author/follower/supporter of a revolutionary idea/theory or b) a person who implements an idea by "revolutionary" (read here: brute force, te

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Altman
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > > > > Later - rewrite the site based on standards. > > > Where can I read about those standards? http://www.w3.org/ > AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other > browsers;-), what standards say about it? NS4 is one

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Weinstein
> Where can I read about those standards? the Web Standards Project could be a good place -- http://www.webstandards.org/ > AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other browsers;-), > what standards say about it? IMO if you're developing a new site you should con

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x?  Tell me about ONE customer, that publish else than "My home page", that will pay for such inconsistency of UI. > -Original Message- > From: Alon Altman [mail

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and as mine); most of complains are: "Site doesn't support Linux" (it is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4 users. I never see

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Weinstein
> Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x? Tell me about >ONE customer, that publish else than "My home page", that will pay for such inconsistency of UI. Again -- NS4 is not standards compliant. I went to w3c's site with IE5.0, Netscape 7 & Netscape 4.7. It looks the

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Weinstein
> I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and as mine); most of complains are: "Site >doesn't support Linux" (it is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4 users. I never seen sites using VbScript client-side, bandwith of today per

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers > means the site relies on non-standard features available on > IE, which is > unavailable for Linux. I never seen such public sites, only corporate intranet. > Or as Red Hat says it their installation "Let's all go and bring > oursel

Re: linux at schools

2003-01-21 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Ely Levy, from the post of Sun, 19 Jan: > http://www.ofset.org/index.html > is a project to get free software into school, > > comments on the chance of it to help israel schools would be apprisiated, > a lot of programs there are usuall ones like apache and a2ps > but some others are educ

Re: OT: Revolution Vs Reform

2003-01-21 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Evgeny Stambulchik on Tue, Jan 21, 2003: > Hmm, depends what is a "revolutionary". Either > > a) an author/follower/supporter of a revolutionary idea/theory > > or > > b) a person who implements an idea by "revolutionary" (read here: brute > force, terror,...) methods > > I personally be

Re: Samsung ADSL modems

2003-01-21 Thread Dani Arbel
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 14:22, you wrote: > > Any idea why? Do they have other external ethernet modems to replace it? > > Why? to move from PPPoA to PPPoE. Alcatel Modem may be configured for PPPoE . > > replacement: Samsung Ethernet modem (300IL) - which got mixed results > regarding long te

Re: linux at schools

2003-01-21 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Ely Levy, from the post of Sun, 19 Jan: http://www.ofset.org/index.html is a project to get free software into school, comments on the chance of it to help israel schools would be apprisiated, a lot of programs there are usuall ones like apache and a2ps but some oth

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Altman
> If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A > standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even > need to check for the browser's maker. You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the browser maker. According to standards, the only re

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alon Weinstein
It > should even > > need to check for the browser's maker. > > You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check > the browser maker. Oops, the "'nt" slipped away from the "should" :-) ofcourse that's what I was trying to say. Checking for browser maker is problematic -- you can ne

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Eddie Aronovich
During RMS talk the feeling of love and help to your community was one of the main issues. Abir is right - stop to hate and start to love. More of that since most of the users are using IE and most of the sites were done to get business profit, the open source (and especially Mozilla) users are n

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: > > If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A > > standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even > > need to check for the browser's maker. > > You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-21 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader, from the post of Sun, 19 Jan: > I submit that Martin Luther King's idea of equality, Malcolm X's idea of > equality and John Doe's idea of equality were not the same. I also > submit that the difference between a black and a white in 'ole south was > so pr

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > > ps. I have started to overtake a project which is nearly finished. > > It is using a lot of javascript and - though I have not tested it yet - > > I am nearly sure it won't work in a lot of browsers except IE

Re: Fw: install rh 7.3 on big hd with discwizard

2003-01-21 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:01PM +0200, Freiman wrote: > > > > Hello! > I bought a new hd from seagate. it's too big for my bios (40 gb), so i install it >with discwizard. i do th partition with discwizard, and start to install rh 7.3. the >installer recognize the full size of hd, and the pa

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:03:39 +0200 (IST) Alon Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This can be done in addition to the blacklisting of extremely bad sites > (like those who block non-IE browsers or crash Mozilla). Sorry, if Mozilla *crashes* it's definitely a Mozilla bug. So these specific sites

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even need to check for the browser's maker. You mean that a standards-compliant site shoul

RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Adir Abraham
Hi, First of all, my name is Adir, not Abir ;-) Now to clarify: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Eddie Aronovich wrote: > 1. The peaceful way that Abir suggested. And I totally support the idea of > group of that should be called: "Proprietary to Open-Source technicians" > (not Windows to Linux). Windows is

X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I use setxkbmap -grp:shift_toggle and similar options to add key bindings to switch keyboard layouts. That works, but instead of replacing the previous toggle key, the new one is added to it! Running with -v 10 shows that it grabs whatever current configuration XKB has, and adds to it the comma

Re: linux at schools

2003-01-21 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:59:45 +0200 Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the main obstacle would be to get Matakh, Compedia, Edunetics and a few > others to port 5-10-15 year-old software that is intensively DOS and > Novell and Windows-specific, but is still sold to schools for nice round > sum

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:36:41 +0200 (IST) Adir Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Black listing" a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list > is found in some newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem. Someone already suggested a fix for this problem -- A l

X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I use setxkbmap -grp:shift_toggle and similar options to add key bindings to switch keyboard layouts. That works, but instead of replacing the previous toggle key, the new one is added to it! Running with -v 10 shows that it grabs whatever current configuration XKB has, and adds to it the command l

Re: X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I use setxkbmap -grp:shift_toggle and similar options to add key > bindings to switch keyboard layouts. That works, but instead of > replacing the previous toggle key, the new one is added to it! Running > with -v 10 shows that it grabs whatever curren

Re: X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I use setxkbmap -grp:shift_toggle and similar options to add key bindings to switch keyboard layouts. That works, but instead of replacing the previous toggle key, the new one is added to it! Running with -v 10 shows that it gra

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 16:08, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and > as mine); most of complains are: "Site doesn't support Linux" (it is not > correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4 > users. I nev

Cable Modem mini-howto updated!

2003-01-21 Thread Amit Margalit
Hi all, I just updated the Cable-Modem mini-howto. Since last time this was posted, the following things happened (in importance order): 1. pppd was persistent, but would quite after 10 failed attempts. This has been fixed by adding the 'maxfail 0' option to the option file. 2. Added lots of

Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers

2003-01-21 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:32:13 +0200 (IST) Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Standard-compliant site builders may have been able to fully use such an > approach has there been fully-standard-compliant browsers. But the current > browsers still have many little bugs that have to be worked aro

Re: X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:22:19 +0200 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Care to point me to the right place to RTFM for the X newbe? Use: xprop -root _XKB_RULES_NAMES (man xprop for the rest) BTW: Tzafrir thanks for the info (didn't really need it, but it's always good to com

Re: X grp switching - how do I subtract?

2003-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Oron Peled wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:22:19 +0200 > Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Care to point me to the right place to RTFM for the X newbe? > > Use: > xprop -root _XKB_RULES_NAMES > (man xprop for the rest) How do I set it? $ xprop -set _XKB_R

news from MySQL

2003-01-21 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, I just seen this and I'm sure that there are many MySQL freaks here that would be delighted about this... http://www.mysql.com/press/release_2003_05.html Long live and happiness.. (which means in my language - bed time) Hetz

Getting weird errors on /proc

2003-01-21 Thread Amit Margalit
Hi, I get a weird error when I su into my regular user: [root@galadriel ~]# su - amit /proc/4724/fd/15: Permission denied. [amit@galadriel ~]$ Any ideas? I don't even know what else to mention... RedHat 7.1, user amit has tcsh as the shell. I get this kind of error from some scripts I run as ro

question about RPM dependancy

2003-01-21 Thread shlomo solomon
I've recently run into dependancy problems with RPMs I wanted to install. I know it's not a good idea to disable dependancy checking, but I'm not sure how to get around this. When installing a package from RPM, I get: Installation failed: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by libopencdk4-0.

Re: question about RPM dependancy

2003-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, shlomo solomon wrote: > I've recently run into dependancy problems with RPMs I wanted to install. I > know it's not a good idea to disable dependancy checking, but I'm not sure > how to get around this. > > When installing a package from RPM, I get: > > Installation failed: >

Re: Fw: install rh 7.3 on big hd with discwizard

2003-01-21 Thread shlomo solomon
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 19:06, Shaul Karl wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:16:01PM +0200, Freiman wrote: > > Hello! > > I bought a new hd from seagate. it's too big for my bios (40 gb), so i > > install it with discwizard. i do th partition with discwizard, and start > > to install rh 7.3. th

Re: Getting weird errors on /proc

2003-01-21 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Amit Margalit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [root@galadriel ~]# su - amit > /proc/4724/fd/15: Permission denied. > [amit@galadriel ~]$ > > Any ideas? I don't even know what else to mention... Permissions on the file and the directory? And on /bin/t?csh? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Booting with something else instead of /sbin/init

2003-01-21 Thread Michael Sternberg
Hello I'm trying to make kernel to start a different application instead of /sbin/init. So, I passing init=/bin/sh in kernel command line. I actually can see this setting in messages emitted by kernel. But from some reason the kernel starts a real /sbin/init and ignores my setting. Last strings f

Re: Getting weird errors on /proc

2003-01-21 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Amit Margalit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [root@galadriel ~]# su - amit > /proc/4724/fd/15: Permission denied. > [amit@galadriel ~]$ > > Any ideas? I don't even know what else to mention... In addition to permissions: What's the process 4724? What is fd 15? A socket? Run strace to see what i