On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Eddie Aronovich wrote:
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> During RMS talk the feeling of love and help to your community was one of
> the main issues. Abir is right - stop to hate and start to love.
Is that anything like "Make love - not war"?
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Jerusalem Israel
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
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> >
> > Later - rewrite the site based on standards.
> >
> Where can I read about those standards?
> AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 ha
I think you guys are looking at it from the wrong way
it has nothing to do with linux,
it has to do with standarts it doesn't matter if some weird browser can
show the site, it has to do with official or big companies sites which
serve the public should follow w3c standarts,
then you can offer them
That reminds me,
a lot of universaties and other education instatues uses a program called
high learning by britanica,
the pages this program produce doesn't always work with anything else
beside ie, I think they should appear somewhere high in the list..
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
J
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote:
> Quoting Shoshannah Forbes, from the post of Wed, 22 Jan:
> > >I'm adore lynx. Am I fit into standards?
> >
> > If the site is built well, it should degrade gracefully. Lynx is not
> > 100% standard compliant, but standard sites work better with it then
> >
Quoting Shoshannah Forbes, from the post of Wed, 22 Jan:
> >I'm adore lynx. Am I fit into standards?
>
> If the site is built well, it should degrade gracefully. Lynx is not
> 100% standard compliant, but standard sites work better with it then
> non- standard ones.
I'm not sure how much better
On Tuesday, Jan 21, 2003, at 15:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Boulgakov Andrei
wrote:
Where can I read about those standards?
All your questions answered:
http://www.webstandards.org/learn/
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of
other browsers;-), what standards say about i
On Tuesday, Jan 21, 2003, at 14:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Thinking it about a bit more I disagree with the term 'blacklisting'.
I'd prefer the bug reporting notion.
Well, then the Middle-East tech evangelism component in bugzilla is
your friend.
Short URL:
http://snurl.com/mpw
(or
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:36:41 +0200 (IST)
Adir Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Black listing" a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list
> is found in some newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem.
Someone already suggested a fix for this problem --
A l
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:32:13 +0200 (IST)
Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Standard-compliant site builders may have been able to fully use such an
> approach has there been fully-standard-compliant browsers. But the current
> browsers still have many little bugs that have to be worked aro
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 16:08, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
> I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and
> as mine); most of complains are: "Site doesn't support Linux" (it is not
> correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4
> users. I nev
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> > To: Yotam Medini
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:03:39 +0200 (IST)
Alon Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This can be done in addition to the blacklisting of extremely bad sites
> (like those who block non-IE browsers or crash Mozilla).
Sorry, if Mozilla *crashes* it's definitely a Mozilla bug.
So these specific sites
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> Subject: Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
>
> And how will that help us to achieve anything, if at all? "Black listing"
> a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list is found in s
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site shoul
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>
> > ps. I have started to overtake a project which is nearly finished.
> > It is using a lot of javascript and - though I have not tested it yet -
> > I am nearly sure it won't work in a lot of browsers except IE
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
> > If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
> > standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
> > need to check for the browser's maker.
>
> You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the
It
> should even
> > need to check for the browser's maker.
>
> You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check
> the browser maker.
Oops, the "'nt" slipped away from the "should" :-) ofcourse that's what
I was trying to say. Checking for browser maker is problematic -- you
can ne
> If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
> standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
> need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the browser
maker. According to standards, the only re
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
> means the site relies on non-standard features available on
> IE, which is
> unavailable for Linux.
I never seen such public sites, only corporate intranet.
> Or as Red Hat says it their installation "Let&#
> I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours
( and as mine); most of complains are: "Site >doesn't support Linux" (it
is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains
of NS4 users. I never seen sites using VbScript client-side, bandwith of
today per
> Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x?
Tell me about >ONE customer, that publish else than "My home page", that
will pay for such inconsistency of UI.
Again -- NS4 is not standards compliant. I went to w3c's site with
IE5.0, Netscape 7 & Netscape 4.7. It looks the
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and as mine); most of complains are: "Site doesn't support Linux" (it is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains o
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x? Tell me about ONE customer, that publish else than "My home page", that will pay for such inconsistency of UI.
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> Where can I read about those standards?
the Web Standards Project could be a good place --
http://www.webstandards.org/
> AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of
other browsers;-), > what standards say about it?
IMO if you're developing a new site you should con
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
> >
> > Later - rewrite the site based on standards.
> >
> Where can I read about those standards?
http://www.w3.org/
> AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other
> browsers;-), what standards say about it?
NS4 is one
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
>
> Later - rewrite the site based on standards.
>
Where can I read about those standards?
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other browsers;-), what standards say about it?
Using CSS is it in
And how will that help us to achieve anything, if at all? "Black listing"
a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list is found in some
newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem. The opposite
is the truth - it may increase hateness, and mind-blocking.
Do you think that
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> ps. I have started to overtake a project which is nearly finished.
> It is using a lot of javascript and - though I have not tested it yet -
> I am nearly sure it won't work in a lot of browsers except IE 6.0
>
> The customer at this point cannot afford to
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
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> Maybe create a whitelist instead?
>
> In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the
> category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might
> start making decisions based on the list and site owners mig
Maybe create a whitelist instead?
In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the
category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might
start making decisions based on the list and site owners might start getting
concerned.
This can be done in ad
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
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> Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
> Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
> whose main category is about computers.
>
> Let me suggest a candidate:
>
>www.ksp.co.il
Have a look at
http:/
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Orr Dunkelman wrote:
> I think this should be done very carefully.
I agree with the notes of Orr and would like to add a few more.
For each reported site there should be a short explanation in what way
is it broken and possibly a contact name who reported the problem.
As t
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
Yap, and let's establish "black list" of :
- applications, that can not be run in text mode.
- OSs that can not be booted from only diskette
- users, that doesn't know to work with keyboard
- something else?
So
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
>
> Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
> Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
> whose main category is about computers.
>
> Let me suggest a candidate:
>
>www.ksp.co.il
>
Seems to work in Mozil
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 11:14, Yotam Medini wrote:
1) sending once is enough.
2) who are you ?
3) if you want that kind of list, create it first ! then ask for help
maintaining \ hosting it.
tal.
> Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
> Linux browsers. A specific c
I think this should be done very carefully. A way to do so (if someone
picks the glove and decide to build and maintain such a list) is just like
in spamcop.net about Open relays.
The site should rationally explain why it is good to support also non
Windows and non-IE browsers, what are the releva
good idea, thugh thats mean 99% of the sites out there :(
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