On Tuesday 24 June 2003 15:45, Eli Billauer wrote:
> You have a point there. This could be solved with Internet Explorer
> under wine, though, as Shachar demonstrated partially at Haifux
> yesterday. Yes, I would be happier too if it was all Mozilla, but if the
> Explorer was available for Linux (r
Gilboa Davara wrote:
But the percentage is getting lower and lower.
My guess it that in general close to 80% of the programmers getting out
to the workforce today, will 'do' java/C#/VB most of their professional
life... and with "design" (YUCK!) tools getting better and better, most
developers are
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
> >
> >B. Non standard shared Web-sites:
> >At least half of the sites in Israel don't work right under Mozilla.
> >(ynet, walla, etc) Why? cause they are using non-standard IE-only
> >extensions. Christ, even the Linux forum in yne
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 19:43, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
>
> > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:55, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> >
> > > Let me doubt the Captian being a programmer :-). I stipulate that the
> > > percent of programmers exposed to unix is much higher than the
This man ain't stupid. He's arrogant and stupid.
In short, a typical yet to be deactivated Windows XP user.
Amazing what goes on paper these days... I wonder what's next? Why Linux
can't do Hebrew by Yael Bar-Zo'har? (No! not topless! Stop drooling!)
On the other hand, at least he knows that th
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 04:24:58PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0300, Idan Sofer wrote:
> >
> > > Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> > > Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
> > URL:
> > http://ww
Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
> On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:55, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
>
> > Let me doubt the Captian being a programmer :-). I stipulate that the
> > percent of programmers exposed to unix is much higher than the percent
> > of users exposed to them. I'd guess that more than
Shaul Karl wrote on 2003-06-24:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0300, Idan Sofer wrote:
> >
> > > Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> > > Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
> > URL:
> > http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:56:45AM +0300, Aviram Jenik wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, despite several attempts by Shachar and Ira, we couldn't get
> the Captain to meet "Hamakor" face to face for further explanations.
1. You might consider inviting the press to Aug 1st, whatever it is
going t
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:46:37PM +0300, Idan Sofer wrote:
>
> > Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> > Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
> URL:
> http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310854&objNo=10045&retur
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:19:39PM +0300, Ely Levy wrote:
> like the budkim in universaty say
> if you don't take out grades people doesn't bother reading your comments.
>
This isn't true. I wish they were not saying that.
--
Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t
==
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:55, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
>
> > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:45, Eli Billauer wrote:
> > > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > >
> > > >Here's a couple.
> > > >
> > > >A. Development tools and workplaces:
> > > >Low adaptation gives MS power to dict
Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
> On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:45, Eli Billauer wrote:
> > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> >
> > >Here's a couple.
> > >
> > >A. Development tools and workplaces:
> > >Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word
> > >is not the real problem here; MF
Quoting Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Keep in mind: If Linux, or to be more precise, the main distros of
> Linux, will be aimed for "everyone", they will also be adapted to that
> level. Which means that we'll all find a paperclip helper in Openoffice
> very soon.
Bt... Faulty thinking
Eli Billauer wrote:
Gilboa Davara wrote:
Here's a couple.
A. Development tools and workplaces:
Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word
is not the real problem here; MFC, DirectX, Visual Basic, C#, etc are!
As developers we are forced to use non standard closed tools
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 14:43, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
>
> > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 14:40, Eli Billauer wrote:
> > > Since the Linux for masses issue is up again, here's my little food for
> > > thought:
> > >
> > > What's wrong with the situation as it is?
> > >
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
> >B. Non standard shared Web-sites:
> >At least half of the sites in Israel don't work right under Mozilla.
> >(ynet, walla, etc) Why? cause they are using non-standard IE-only
> >extensions. Christ, even the Linux forum in ynet ca
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:45, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
> >Here's a couple.
> >
> >A. Development tools and workplaces:
> >Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word
> >is not the real problem here; MFC, DirectX, Visual Basic, C#, etc are!
> >As develo
Eli Billauer wrote on 2003-06-24:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
> >B. Non standard shared Web-sites:
> >At least half of the sites in Israel don't work right under Mozilla.
> >(ynet, walla, etc) Why? cause they are using non-standard IE-only
> >extensions. Christ, even the Linux forum in ynet cannot be
Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24:
> On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 14:40, Eli Billauer wrote:
> > Since the Linux for masses issue is up again, here's my little food for
> > thought:
> >
> > What's wrong with the situation as it is?
> >
> > What's wrong with Linux not being in every home? Why do we care i
Gilboa Davara wrote:
Here's a couple.
A. Development tools and workplaces:
Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word
is not the real problem here; MFC, DirectX, Visual Basic, C#, etc are!
As developers we are forced to use non standard closed tools and
libraries that
Here's a couple.
A. Development tools and workplaces:
Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word
is not the real problem here; MFC, DirectX, Visual Basic, C#, etc are!
As developers we are forced to use non standard closed tools and
libraries that can be changed without
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:40:49PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Keep in mind: If Linux, or to be more precise, the main distros of
> Linux, will be aimed for "everyone", they will also be adapted to that
> level. Which means that we'll all find a paperclip helper in Openoffice
> very soon.
amor
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 13:30, Dan Armak wrote:
> It may be mild (in comparison to the harsher things he may have written),
> but it's definitely not an apology (which he owns us for publishing
> incorrect facts, not for a hostile opinion) and he doesn't take any of his
> words back. What he says i
Since the Linux for masses issue is up again, here's my little food for
thought:
What's wrong with the situation as it is?
What's wrong with Linux not being in every home? Why do we care if our
grandmother pays for her operating system?
There are, of course, a few things that I would like to h
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 09:56, Aviram Jenik wrote:
> Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
> statements like (sorry for the rough translation): "lately there was a huge
> improvement with the Hebre
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben-Nes Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> Though I adore Linux OS and the concept behind it, it still not ready
> for the masses in Israel.
> Windows is out of the box while linux still need tuning and settings
> that will stun most of the people in
Aviram Jenik wrote:
Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes statements
like (sorry for the rough translation): "lately there was a huge improvement
with the Hebrew support", "many people are happy
> -Original Message-
> From: Idan Sofer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet
> to the "Angry
> > Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
> URL:
> http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=31085
>
> Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes
URL:
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310854&objNo=10045&returnParam=Y
--
Idan
=
like the budkim in universaty say
if you don't take out grades people doesn't bother reading your comments.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:56:45AM +0300, Aviram Jenik wrote:
> > Today Ha'aretz pub
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:22:35AM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> Aviram Jenik wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, despite several attempts by Shachar and Ira, we couldn't get
> > the Captain to meet "Hamakor" face to face for further explanations. However,
> > we're very happy with the community
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:56:45AM +0300, Aviram Jenik wrote:
> Today Ha'aretz published a response from Captain Internet to the "Angry
> Linuxers" (as they called it). The response is mild - it includes statements
> like (sorry for the rough translation): "lately there was a huge improvement
>
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 10:22, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> Aviram Jenik wrote:
> > Unfortunately, despite several attempts by Shachar and Ira, we couldn't
> > get the Captain to meet "Hamakor" face to face for further explanations.
> > However, we're very happy with the community support and the
Aviram Jenik wrote:
> Unfortunately, despite several attempts by Shachar and Ira, we couldn't get
> the Captain to meet "Hamakor" face to face for further explanations. However,
> we're very happy with the community support and the wave of responses that
> came to Hamakor and the various Linux
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