Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-23 Thread Lior Kaplan
Hi Alex, You're welcome to add your company to the list we maintain of open source companies in Israel: http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/index.php/נותני_שירות Kaplan 2011/11/16 Alex Rier > Hi Shachar, > > I am sorry to hear that another Linux company closed. > I wish you success in your new career.

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-16 Thread Alex Rier
Hi Shachar, I am sorry to hear that another Linux company closed. I wish you success in your new career. Since Breakthrough (http://www.breakt.co.il) is live and kicking, feel free to forward us your old customers which need Linux consulting services. 2011/11/14 Shachar Shemesh > I'm sorry to

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Medical practitioners and building trade people vs. software developers (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-15 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
sammy ominsky writes: > On 15/11/2011, at 09:52, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > >> In addition, one wants a consultant for stuff >> that is outside one's core competency, so it looks like outsourcing, >> which _must_ be cheaper than paying permanent staff, right? > > No, it's almost always more expens

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Medical practitioners and building trade people vs. software developers (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-15 Thread sammy ominsky
On 15/11/2011, at 09:52, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > In addition, one wants a consultant for stuff > that is outside one's core competency, so it looks like outsourcing, > which _must_ be cheaper than paying permanent staff, right? No, it's almost always more expensive, but should only be used whe

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Medical practitioners and building trade people vs. software developers (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-15 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > I am curious to know how do people in the building trades and in the > medical area manage to attract high payment in exchange for excellence. Why do you think they do? The vast majority of medical services are provided by unionized personnel, a

[OFFTOPIC] Medical practitioners and building trade people vs. software developers (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-15 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:04 +0200, Tom Balazs wrote: > 2. The customer is often not able to understand the product or service > he is buying. That means they can't really understand whether or not a > job was done well. This is true in many fields. I am curious to know how do people in the buildin

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-15 Thread Tom Balazs
ging the list at >        linux-il-ow...@cs.huji.ac.il > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Linux-il digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: >

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Amos Shapira
On 15 November 2011 04:12, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> >> Simply because "price per hour" is a quantitative metric. The fact >> that it is meaningless is meaningless. >> > > > It's the bogo-mips of consulting. :-) +1 :) _

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Amos Shapira
On 14 November 2011 22:14, Nadav Har'El wrote: > So maybe the key to winning over your competitors isn't to charge less > per hour, but rather to complete the job in less time. (you can of > course hide this will all sorts of creative marketing) > There used to be a slogan on a shop on my commut

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
at 4:33 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: [OFFTOPIC] > Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)": > > Long ago I got out of the PC repair/support business when the 50 NIS > > an hour people took over.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
True. However, the best support can be given by a pro who has a cooperation of the hosting company. Most of them will never cooperate, as they earn better (despite their awful quality of work) with an external person/company. So, your main channel - the hosting supplier, will probably not like you

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Simply because "price per hour" is a quantitative metric. The fact that it is meaningless is meaningless. It's the bogo-mips of consulting. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlo

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 16:33, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding > the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)": >> Long ago I got out of the PC repair/support business when the 50 NIS >> a

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)": > Long ago I got out of the PC repair/support business when the 50 NIS > an hour people took over. Am I the only one bothered by all this "

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: I can vouch for this. I am not a CS major and I consider myself a Linux amateur, but I have worked supporting various Linux servers for locals. Of course, I was making nowhere near the level of income that Shahar discusses on his blog, experience

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Dotan Cohen
2011/11/14 Hetz Ben Hamo : > Hi, > I'll give you one: Supporting hosting customers. > Explanation: there are over 40 businesses here in Israel which provides VPS > and dedicated server renting solutions. > Most of those businesses (including mine) provide the machine to the > customers as "unmanage

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, I'll give you one: Supporting hosting customers. Explanation: there are over 40 businesses here in Israel which provides VPS and dedicated server renting solutions. Most of those businesses (including mine) provide the machine to the customers as "unmanaged", which means: the support you'll g

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Daniel Shahaf
On Monday, November 14, 2011 1:14 PM, "Nadav Har'El" wrote: > You can complete the job in less time if you stop thinking about selling > time, and instead think about which jobs you can take which will allow you > to *reuse* things you learned, and code you wrote, while working for previous > cli

[OFFTOPIC] Finding the next lucrative niche (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Omer Zak
We need some process for identifying the next niche to pursue, taking into account current skill set, customers/contacts, and effort&expense incurred in acquiring the competencies relevant for the next niche. Did anyone blog about such a process? On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 14:51 +0200, E L wrote: > W

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Shachar - all the best and good luck. I wrote a post about this issue and some related issues that IMHO some freelancer need to do today, if they want to succseed. http://benhamo.org/wp/?p=2970 Thanks, Hetz 2011/11/14 Ely Levy > What can you do? In our field you need to stay with your hand on

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Ely Levy
What can you do? In our field you need to stay with your hand on the pulse. Yesterday it was clouds, now html5 and phone applications tomorrow something else. You either swim with the flow or drown. Ely 2011/11/14 Shachar Shemesh > On 11/14/2011 01:36 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > > The business does

[OFFTOPIC] Disappearing niches clarification (was: Re: Goodbye, Lingnu)

2011-11-14 Thread Omer Zak
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 14:15 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > On 11/14/2011 01:36 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > > The business does not exist today because we were not successful > > in locating another good niche once the original niche disappeared > > (which was far from taking us by surprise). > > > But

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 11/14/2011 01:36 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > The business does not exist today because we were not successful > in locating another good niche once the original niche disappeared > (which was far from taking us by surprise). > But this is precisely why this doesn't work. Every niche will disappear, so

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Omer Zak
Nadav Har'El's thoughts below make a lot of sense. Eliyahu Goldratt, in his books "It's not luck" and "Critical Chain" discussed the difference in value to the provider (cost+) and to the client (which has no relationship with the value to the provider); and the value of finishing a project early.

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Goodbye, Lingnu": > I'm sorry to announce that another Linux consulting company is biting > the dust. Hi Shachar, this is sad to hear :( Good luck in your new job at LiveU. It occurs to me that if 250 shekels per hour soun

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Valery Reznic
Hi, Shachar. Sorry you have to close Lingnu. Hope you'll find something interesting to play with. Valery > >From: Shachar Shemesh >To: linux-il >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:30 AM >Subject: Goodbye, Lingnu > > > >I&

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Constantine Shulyupin
I experience the same problems. I hope market situation get better soon and we'll get more inserting and profitable projects. 2011/11/14 Shachar Shemesh > I'm sorry to announce that another Linux consulting company is biting the > dust. > > Full details at my blog: > http://blog.shemesh.biz/201

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Shachar, On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:30:56 +0200 Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I'm sorry to announce that another Linux consulting company is biting > the dust. > > Full details at my blog: > http://blog.shemesh.biz/2011/11/%D7%94%D7%99%D7%99-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9D-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%A0%D7%

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Shachar, Believe me, I feel your pain. The contract software market is not easy. Good luck in your future endeavors. - yba On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:30:56 +0200 From: Shachar Shemesh To: linux-il Subject: Goodbye, Lingnu I'm sor

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 11/14/2011 11:39 AM, Amichay P. K. wrote: > Wow, sorry to hear about it... > Hope the general market situation will get better soon. I hope so too, for the sake of everyone, but I'm not hopeful. Most companies are sitting tight, waiting to see whether the US will default, whether we have another

Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Amichay P. K.
Wow, sorry to hear about it... Hope the general market situation will get better soon. 2011/11/14 Shachar Shemesh > I'm sorry to announce that another Linux consulting company is biting the > dust. > > Full details at my blog: > http://blog.shemesh.biz/2011/11/%D7%94%D7%99%D7%99-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7

Goodbye, Lingnu

2011-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I'm sorry to announce that another Linux consulting company is biting the dust. Full details at my blog: http://blog.shemesh.biz/2011/11/%D7%94%D7%99%D7%99-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9D-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%A0%D7%95/ Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lin