Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-10 Thread Guy Baruch
Shaul Karl wrote: In the Israeli there are 2 aspects which are also present else where but might be more noticeable here: 1. Open Source means a switch from the more traditional way of thinking. so ? is new==good ? 2. Hopefully it will divert money that is now spent outside of Israel, fo

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-10 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:17:40 +0200, Gil Freund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let us now look into the propriety software side. The obvious example comes to mind: Microsoft. Well, I think there was another big fork in the propriatery software world and that is the Great Unix Fork. Not talking only

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-09 Thread Gil Freund
ely yours, Adam Adam Heath 87 Clarendon Ave. Somerville, MA 02144-1733 617.628.7357 617.803.0707 cell - Original Message - From: "Gil Freund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Arti

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 06:27:36PM -0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > I have not seen it mentioned here (maybe I wasn't looking ?) > > Open question > The government claims open-source software means a 60% saving. It doesn't > add up. > > Basically it sais that the TCO of Open Source is higher than

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Gil Freund
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gil Freund wrote: [snip] That's not it. This study is a MS sponsored study. While IDC did their own research, they were told what parameters to test this under. In particular: 1. Whether or not certain aspects were checked. Security patching, anyone? 2. Time over which

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gil Freund wrote: As for TCO; it's very easy to lower TCO in MS based environments: 1. You ignore third party solution required to complete the MS environment (I have yet to see an MS shop without 30-40% of the software componanted suplemnting MS shortcommings). 2. With big contract, MS will dir

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Gil Freund
Gabor Szabo wrote: I have not seen it mentioned here (maybe I wasn't looking ?) Open question The government claims open-source software means a 60% saving. It doesn't add up. Basically it sais that the TCO of Open Source is higher than that of propriatery solutions and it because of the "fo

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Yishay Mor
Guys, Don't you think [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be >cc:ed on this thread? A bit pointless preaching for OSS on this list, eh? Oh, and by the way - see the bottom of the globes page: "This site is best viewed with Microsoft Explorer, version 5 or later, at resolution 1024 x 768" Gabor Szabo

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread dittigas
It's enough to look at this to read it in the "right light": "A new "shared source" initiative is emerging whereby governments and large corporate clients can access proprietary software code, helping to assuage fears of secret security backdoors. The code is called "shared" rather than

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 06:27:36PM -0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > I have not seen it mentioned here (maybe I wasn't looking ?) > The following is from the article: > Open question > The government claims open-source software means a 60% saving. It doesn't > add up. > > Basically it sais that

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Ely Levy
since when does anyone take globes seriously when it come to opensource issue?:) it's not the first or second time they prove to be full of crap and bias Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > I have not seen it mentioned here (maybe

Re: Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Aaron
A study commisioned by Microsoft, not bias... A windows based business doesn't have a system admin?? btw. open source webservers are accepted as the standard. But what else is new. Just don't use widoze for mission critical applications and you will be ok. Aaron ===

Article in Globes

2003-12-08 Thread Gabor Szabo
I have not seen it mentioned here (maybe I wasn't looking ?) Open question The government claims open-source software means a 60% saving. It doesn't add up. Basically it sais that the TCO of Open Source is higher than that of propriatery solutions and it because of the "forking problem" it is r