Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-21 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader, from the post of Sun, 19 Jan: > I submit that Martin Luther King's idea of equality, Malcolm X's idea of > equality and John Doe's idea of equality were not the same. I also > submit that the difference between a black and a white in 'ole south was > so pr

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Ely Levy
Vygonets wrote about "Re: A response to Nadav's message": > > > The most holy of our holidays, Yom Kippur, celebrates > > > (if one can say that) our freedom to chose our own actions - a freedom that > > > we are told to excercise thoughtfully and carefully, b

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Who said ethics was an exact science? :) If memory serves, ethics was one of Aristotle's "noble sciences," but then I believe it is not referred to appropriately in this discussion, since Aristotle's ethics was about acceptable interactions between *tw

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote about "Re: A response to Nadav's message": > > The most holy of our holidays, Yom Kippur, celebrates > > (if one can say that) our freedom to chose our own actions - a freedom that > > we are told to excercise thoughtfu

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote about "Re: A response to Nadav's message": > First, I submit that freedom and equality are not the same. >... > Freedom, in my opinion, was and is (wrongly) equated with equality. I know they are not the same

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Nadav Har'El on Sun, Jan 19, 2003: > And I don't have to say that freedom is important in an Israeli list - after > all we have a major holiday (Pesach) which is all about our becoming free from > being enslaved at ancient times. And therefore it's forbidden by law to sell bread in Jewish ne

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Nadav Har'El: > I think you misunderstood Richard Stallman's point. He's not saying that > everybody cares about their freedom, but rather (if I understood him > correctly) that everybody *should* care about their freedom. In fact, he's > lamenting the fact that too few people think about th

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote about "Re: A response to Nadav's message": > The "problem" (with both RMS's and Nadav's) statements of the conundrum > is that they (the statements) are rife with ethical judgments. These >...

Re: A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Richard Stallman: > In fact, I believe that one of the things about the "Open Source" movement > that scares (or repels) Stallman the most is the fact that is indeed, to > some degree, a synthesis between the philosophy of free software, and the > philosophies behind propriet

A response to Nadav's message

2003-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Stallman gave the example of "Linux" distributions that include non-free software (such as Netscape and Oracle to use his examples) and call them value-added software, and objects! To him, these are "freedom-dereased software", not "value-added software". I call them "freedom-subtr