On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote about "Re: A response to Nadav's message": > First, I submit that freedom and equality are not the same. >... > Freedom, in my opinion, was and is (wrongly) equated with equality.
I know they are not the same. In some sense they are opposite, and in other senses, they are related. Who said ethics was an exact science? :) Go back to Rev. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech to see if he was looking for freedom or for equality. Actually it was a bit of both. He mentions freedom two dozen times: King did not want blacks to be free because whites are - he wanted them to be free because humans should be free. But he does mention equality twice, one of them is using the famous quote from the American declaration of independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.", and thus equality plays a role here too. As you know, I believe equality plays a role in free-software too... But I already brought up this subject too many times recently :) > And most people I know view the DoA as a general indulgence purchase. Hey, I was talking about Martin Luther King, not Martin Luther :) > [a lot of R-rated language removed] > The DoA is the Israeli version of purchase of indulgences. > And as for God, which God? Were I you, I'd not mention God - that Note that I gave the religious examples not because I actually practice those holidays (I am not religious, not that this has anything to do with this thread), but because these holidays are our (most members of this list) common heritage. Even as a non-believer I couldn't help but celebrate the Leil Seder 27 times during my life. I claimed that someone cannot read a text about freedom 27 times and still think that freedom is not an important issue. The Israelites in Egypt were not looking for equality - they did not want to stay in Egypt and enjoy the "pot of meat" together with the rest of the Egyptians. They wanted to be free to return to their homeland. (again, please don't argue whether the exodus story is true or not, or if god exists or not. It's irrelevant to the issue - which is that freedom is a major part of our heritage). > One atones NOT before God. One atones before oneself and > before the hurt, not before a mythical entity which, when the whim > strikes it (supposedly) distributes swords in farcical aquatic > ceremonies. I think Kant would have a major argument with you (as will, obviously, any modern religious person) :) But this is getting completely off-topic... -- Nadav Har'El | Sunday, Jan 19 2003, 17 Shevat 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |----------------------------------------- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |The knowledge that you are an idiot, is http://nadav.harel.org.il |what distinguishes you from one. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
