Re: Have you rulled out a udev rule?

2006-12-17 Thread Maxim Veksler
On 12/18/06, shaulka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And WTF did eth1_rename_ren came from ? > > Appreciate your input, output or regex, I would have tried to grep /etc/udev to see if there is an undesirable udev rule? Well, the obvious solution is <<<

Jan. 4, in Hilton - Lecturers from Gartner

2006-12-17 Thread Eli Marmor
This might interest some of you: Gartner brings 2 experts to talk about SOA, Linux and Open-Source on January 4 in Hilton. Price: about 1060 NIS (minor discount for Gartner subscribers). -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. _

Have you rulled out a udev rule?

2006-12-17 Thread shaulka
Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And WTF did eth1_rename_ren came from ? > > Appreciate your input, output or regex, I would have tried to grep /etc/udev to see if there is an undesirable udev rule? = To unsubscribe,

Re: Strange name for network interface (Debian 2.6.18-7)

2006-12-17 Thread Maxim Veksler
On 12/17/06, Oren Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I tend to believe that on single user mode you'll see only the regular eth0 & eth1, and that later some evil script renames the interface name by running something like "ip link set eth1 name eth1.old" Good idea, I tried to boot into single on

Re: Strange name for network interface (Debian 2.6.18-7)

2006-12-17 Thread Oren Held
I tend to believe that on single user mode you'll see only the regular eth0 & eth1, and that later some evil script renames the interface name by running something like "ip link set eth1 name eth1.old" Try to analyze your startup scripts and see which one does that. I know that Xen's network

Re: Strange name for network interface (Debian 2.6.18-7)

2006-12-17 Thread Ori Idan
Network devices are special kind of devices, they do not appear in /dev However the name of eth1 seems strange. -- Ori Idan On 12/17/06, Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi List, I've have 2 NIC's in my home machine, a Intel(R) PRO/1000GT and a RealTek RTL8139 When the system boots i

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 17 December 2006 14:29, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 02:15:01PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > but anyway, I'd suggest your pal to standardize on 2-3 rather than 6-7 > > platforms.. > > I'd also suggest that he avoid any automatic upgrade strategy. If you look > b

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Marc A. Volovic wrote: Peter wrote: What I wrote I wrote with the tongue planted in my cheek. No! Really! Humour!? In Israel? On Linux-IL? *THUD* (jaw strikes table) RELAX. I had to explain it in a subsequent email. That means it was not funny for everyone (or they h

Strange name for network interface (Debian 2.6.18-7)

2006-12-17 Thread Maxim Vexler
Hi List, I've have 2 NIC's in my home machine, a Intel(R) PRO/1000GT and a RealTek RTL8139 When the system boots it creates the following (odd) kernel naming schema, I haven't messed with any of my udev.d rules. <<< # ls /sys/class/net/ eth0 eth1_rename_ren lo sit0 # udevtest /sys/class/net/

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:32:43 +0200 From: Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: linux-il Subject: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions? Hi, A friend of mine has the following scenario: he need to manage few dozens of Linux servers which differen

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender (fwd)

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
Oops it was a mail loop and I posted the attachment by mistake (my NTA did not show it clearly enough). Apologies. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run

Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender (fwd)

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
To: Mark Volovic: your filter settings are little too tight imho ... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:16:53 +0200 (IST) From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender .. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: hos

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Oded Arbel wrote: That is not true. Sysadmins are no longer necessary. Just install windows XP using a deployment policy on all the machines. If indeed a proprietary solution is a valid option, and if we mentioned Microsoft already, then I might suggest Novel's Zen Works.

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 17:56 +0200, Peter wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Marc A. Volovic wrote: > > > Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo: > > > >> The question is - is there any GOOD open source solution for this? > >> something that can perform updates, notify admin about the updates, > >> etc? or he needs to "re

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Marc A. Volovic wrote: Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo: The question is - is there any GOOD open source solution for this? something that can perform updates, notify admin about the updates, etc? or he needs to "re-invent the wheel"? Yes, there is such a solution. It is called "a s

Re: Fun ways to spend your afternoon.

2006-12-17 Thread Peter
Strong helpful hint: NEVER copy important things to/from the original place. Always copy to/from a copy and when the copy is validated mv -f it in place of what you are replacing. Depending on the size of the something you will replace you may have to add storage to a system (USB disks work g

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Hetz Ben Hamo: > The question is - is there any GOOD open source solution for this? > something that can perform updates, notify admin about the updates, > etc? or he needs to "re-invent the wheel"? Yes, there is such a solution. It is called "a sysadmin". -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic

Re: Fun ways to spend your afternoon.

2006-12-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ira Abramov wrote: > A Debian guy once told me that testing Debian "testing" is fun and > fruitful. you have nothing to lose (except your data). > > Jokes aside, I've been using Etch on a production server for a while, > and I fealt it has matured enough to upgrade my own server from Sarge. > > the

Re: Fun ways to spend your afternoon.

2006-12-17 Thread Erez D
well, no harry. you have nothing to lose (except your data). ;-) cheers, erez. On 12/17/06, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A Debian guy once told me that testing Debian "testing" is fun and fruitful. you have nothing to lose (except your data). Jokes aside, I've been using Etch on a p

Re: Ethical question..

2006-12-17 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 11:01 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 12:41 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > > 2. As I have said many times, there is a popular program which the owners > >released as GPL, solicited and added source code for new features > >and bug fixes provided

[HAIFUX LECTURE] The Ben-Yehuda Project by Asaf Bartov

2006-12-17 Thread Orr Dunkelman
This Monday (18.12.06) at 18:30, Haifa Linux Club will gather to hear Asaf Bartov talk about The Ben Yehuda Project Project Ben-Yehuda aims to make accessible the classics of Hebrew literature (poetry and prose at first, and then essays etc.) to the reader of Hebrew. For that purpos

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 02:15:01PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > but anyway, I'd suggest your pal to standardize on 2-3 rather than 6-7 > platforms.. I'd also suggest that he avoid any automatic upgrade strategy. If you look back to the fall of 2005, you will see where thousands of systems running t

Re: preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Sun, 17 Dec: > Hi, > > A friend of mine has the following scenario: he need to manage few > dozens of Linux servers which different OS's and versions (RHEL, > Centos, Debian, Redhat 7.x, 9.x etc), and he needs to update all of > them with the latest packages

GPL license from software in question

2006-12-17 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
This is the license I was refering to. Nowhere does it say that they can grant prorietary licenses to the source code. Since it specificaly says that they reserve the right to grant "ability" for non GPL MODULES, it implies that they do not reserve the right to do so for the base code. That's pre

preventing upgrade nightmare suggestions?

2006-12-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, A friend of mine has the following scenario: he need to manage few dozens of Linux servers which different OS's and versions (RHEL, Centos, Debian, Redhat 7.x, 9.x etc), and he needs to update all of them with the latest packages.. The question is - is there any GOOD open source solution for

Re: Ethical question..

2006-12-17 Thread Oded Arbel
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 12:41 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > 2. As I have said many times, there is a popular program which the owners >released as GPL, solicited and added source code for new features >and bug fixes provided as GPL'ed code and then sold closed source >licenses to