Re: On Linux, cp new_version old_version while old is running is harmless

2002-12-31 Thread Oron Peled
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:53:56 +0200 Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have heard lately on 2 different occasions here that there could be > a problem when copying a new version of a binary over the old one while > the old one is running. Time for testing: [oron@mercury test]$ cp /

Re: Resolving Name

2002-12-31 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Erez Boym wrote: > I have a small problem with my Internet and NIC. I > suppose it's a small thing but I cant find the answer > to that. [... snipped ...] > So to avoid waiting on boot I have used netconfig > again to install my NIC with an imaginary IP > 118.118.0.0 and net

Resolving Name

2002-12-31 Thread Erez Boym
Hi, I have a small problem with my Internet and NIC. I suppose it's a small thing but I cant find the answer to that. I have a Modem and a NIC on the same machine. As long as my NIC is set with a dynamic IP (Configured using netconfig) my Mozilla browser works perfectly, but my NIC, since I don’t

[JO] Linux programmer

2002-12-31 Thread Baruch Even
Someone I worked with is looking for a capable Linux programmer for a porting project on a free-lance basis. Required knowledge: - Linux (obviously) - GCC tool-chain (Cross compilation a big plus) - C (read/write) - Java (read/write) - Makefiles Good to have: - Fortran (read only) - Portin

On Linux, cp new_version old_version while old is running is harmless

2002-12-31 Thread Shaul Karl
I have heard lately on 2 different occasions here that there could be a problem when copying a new version of a binary over the old one while the old one is running. I have also read the opposite and I believe that many Debian users who actively track the Debian archive will testify for the oppo

RE: pppd persist?

2002-12-31 Thread Tzahi Fadida
after a year of experience with adsl i want to add 3 nis: 1) assumming u want to use persist, u must understand it doesn't do any pinging, just reconnect if pppd knows it has been disconnected. inorder for it to know it was disconnected u need to use lcp-echo-interval n to ping the other peer. and

Re: sendmail q

2002-12-31 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Oron Peled: > On 31 Dec 2002 21:05:21 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i tried adding: > > CMserv1.foo.org > > DMfoo.org > > Nobody these days edits sendmail.cf directly, you should use > the m4 technique to configure sendmail (covered in Oreily's Bat-Book). Oron, come on! You're getting

Re: pppd persist?

2002-12-31 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I keep seeing people talk about pinging the other side of their ADSL line in order to discover whether it's still up and re-run pppd if ping fails. Have anyone of them tried pppd's "persist" option and decided that it's not good enough? Except for cases when pppd

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Herouth Maoz
At 20:17 +0200 on 31/12/2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: "no dual pentuim 5 required"? [too technical, and will get out-dated] How about "does not require a supercomputer"? Herouth -- EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOME PAGE: http://herouth.port5.com/ ===

Re: sendmail q

2002-12-31 Thread erez
sorry, this is another of the old mails resurrected by evolution ;-) cheers, erez. Oron Peled wrote: On 31 Dec 2002 21:05:21 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tried adding: CMserv1.foo.org DMfoo.org to /etc/sendmail.cf Nobody these days edits sendmail.cf directly, you should use the

Re: sendmail q

2002-12-31 Thread Oron Peled
On 31 Dec 2002 21:05:21 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i tried adding: > > CMserv1.foo.org > DMfoo.org > > > to /etc/sendmail.cf Nobody these days edits sendmail.cf directly, you should use the m4 technique to configure sendmail (covered in Oreily's Bat-Book). Than, you may send us a meaning

Re: evolution virus ?

2002-12-31 Thread erez
i think this is a very smart bug in evolution. evolution foresaw that tzafrir will anser me so it sent him a thank-you email ahead of time ... twilight zone .. ;-) erez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, the messages were sent by smtp before i understood whats happened. and the smtp server

Re: 1 Konqueror Q + 1 Related Mozilla Q

2002-12-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Tuesday, Dec 31, 2002, at 21:08 Asia/Jerusalem, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: 1. How can I configure Konqueror to render the pages using the Mozilla engine? I like using Konqueror because of its better usability but I'm getting tired of all those khtml bugs. There was a thing called KMozilla o

Re: ssl wrapper

2002-12-31 Thread Sagi Bashari
On 31/12/2002 21:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi i need to connect to an ssl-imap server. currently i use stunnel, but it's stripped binary is 700k in size which is too much. does anyone knows on a smaller ssl-wrapper (client only) ? I think that fetchmail can do that. Just checked, and the

Re: evolution virus ?

2002-12-31 Thread erez
well, the messages were sent by smtp before i understood whats happened. and the smtp server is out of my control ... it looks like for some reson, evolution started resending my old mails to the original recepients. so except for confusion, i do not think any harm was done. ( mistook inbox for

Re: ssl wrapper

2002-12-31 Thread erez
thanks tzafrir, at last, someone answers the question i asked. openssl s_client looks promising. no offense guys/girls, but all other answerd the question i didn't ask. thanks again tzafrir erez. On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 23:18, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On 2 Jul 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > > On Tue

Re: 1 Konqueror Q + 1 Related Mozilla Q

2002-12-31 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
Shlomi Fish wrote: 1. How can I configure Konqueror to render the pages using the Mozilla engine? I like using Konqueror because of its better usability but I'm getting tired of all those khtml bugs. There was a thing called KMozilla once. I don't know if it's still maintained, but at its time

ssl wrapper

2002-12-31 Thread erez
hi i need to connect to an ssl-imap server. currently i use stunnel, but it's stripped binary is 700k in size which is too much. does anyone knows on a smaller ssl-wrapper (client only) ? erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [E

RE: ssl wrapper

2002-12-31 Thread erez
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 17:17, Michael Sternberg wrote: > > Just a proposition - can't you use port forwarding capabilities of SSH ? is there a way to use ssh to connect to an ssl imap server ? ssh imap-server 993 ? i dont think so, but correct me if I'm wrong erez. > > -- >

evolution virus ?

2002-12-31 Thread erez
hi my evolution got crazy and started to mail some of the emails from my inbox to people on my adresbook. before i could stop it it already sent hundreds of mails does anyone know on such a virus ??? btw: system: linux redhat 8.0 erez. =

RE: 1 Konqueror Q + 1 Related Mozilla Q

2002-12-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Tuesday, Dec 31, 2002, at 20:42 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: 2. Is there any way I can build Konqueror's enhanced browsing pseudo-URLs into Mozilla? Here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html = To u

RE: ssl wrapper

2002-12-31 Thread erez
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 19:11, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On 2 Jul 2002, Erez Doron wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 17:17, Michael Sternberg wrote: > > > > > > Just a proposition - can't you use port forwarding capabilities of SSH ? > > > > is there a way to use ssh to connect to an ssl imap server ?

Re: sendmail q

2002-12-31 Thread erez
On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 13:32, Henry Ficher wrote: > Erez Doron wrote: > > > > hi > > > > i have a server called serv1.foo.org > > > > whenever i send unqualified mail from root, it is sent from > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > the problem is that though foo.org exists, serv1.foo.org does not, so my

ipaq/linux users on this list ?

2002-12-31 Thread erez
are there any ipaq on linux users on this list ( except me ) ? erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

sendmail q

2002-12-31 Thread erez
hi i have a server called serv1.foo.org whenever i send unqualified mail from root, it is sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] the problem is that though foo.org exists, serv1.foo.org does not, so my isp returns the mail because unqualified sender domain. i tried adding: CMserv1.foo.org DMfoo.org

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Gabor Szabo
Oron Peled wrote: Completely true. That's why I think we should change strategy. The emphasis should be on: - The web team you hired doesn't follow web standards. - Many clients (e.g: people with other IE versions) may be affected. - You wouldn't know it (it looks ok on your computer). - It

1 Konqueror Q + 1 Related Mozilla Q

2002-12-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
1. How can I configure Konqueror to render the pages using the Mozilla engine? I like using Konqueror because of its better usability but I'm getting tired of all those khtml bugs. 2. Is there any way I can build Konqueror's enhanced browsing pseudo-URLs into Mozilla? What I went is typing "gg:he

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re:Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > Guy Cohen wrote: > > Surely you are joking? To make a site (as complex as it is) to be compliant > > with all browsers (or rfcs) is, roughly estimated, 5% more work to someone > > who knows what he's doing (i.e. any second level programmer in Ind

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This remoinds me - I'm reading now "The Complete DHTML refference" > (or something like that) from O'Reilly (don't sniger - this book > is all about portability) and was wondering how feasable would it > be to stick an "IE compatibility module" in Moz

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Oron Peled
On 31 Dec 2002 14:34:56 +0200 Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's all awareness. Neither the web development company nor their client > think that there are any normal people in their right mind who are not > using IE. I think it never even gets to the point where they count > percentag

pppd persist?

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
Hi, I keep seeing people talk about pinging the other side of their ADSL line in order to discover whether it's still up and re-run pppd if ping fails. Have anyone of them tried pppd's "persist" option and decided that it's not good enough? I just put it on (with "maxfail 0" so it will retry for

Re: hebrew ...

2002-12-31 Thread tal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can not get it to show hebrew on my ipaq (linux) it does work on my pc though. what am i doing wrong ? ipaq terminal: bash-2.03# export LC_ALL=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# export LC_TYPE=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# export LANG=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# gpe-mail You

KDE Kword better than MS Word

2002-12-31 Thread shlomo solomon
I thought this might interest the list. I created a Word document at work. Since I wanted to be able to read it at home, I saved as RTF. The document was created by pasting from the Palm Pilot desktop on Windows to MS Word. I guess that because of incompatibilities between the two programs, I g

Re: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 04:41:06PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > well, i managed to save it to pdf compressed as someone suggested. > it compressed from 17mb ps to 230kb pdf which is the size of jpeg printed. > isn't there a compressed psz(pg.gz) or something? > the problem with the small programs t

hebrew ...

2002-12-31 Thread erez
i can not get it to show hebrew on my ipaq (linux) it does work on my pc though. what am i doing wrong ? ipaq terminal: bash-2.03# export LC_ALL=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# export LC_TYPE=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# export LANG=iw_IL.ISO-8859-8 bash-2.03# gpe-mail (process:4785): Gdk-WARNING **:

RE: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > well, i managed to save it to pdf compressed as someone suggested. > it compressed from 17mb ps to 230kb pdf which is the size of jpeg printed. > isn't there a compressed psz(pg.gz) or something? > the problem with the small programs to convert jpeg2ps an

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards

2002-12-31 Thread Omer Zak
On 31 Dec 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:47, Omer Zak wrote: > > > I have a simple suggestion: > > > > As a pretty good approximation, "no one" knows about Linux, but "everyone" > > knows about Mac. > > > > So an effort focused at getting Israeli Web masters to make thei

RE: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Tzahi Fadida
well, i managed to save it to pdf compressed as someone suggested. it compressed from 17mb ps to 230kb pdf which is the size of jpeg printed. isn't there a compressed psz(pg.gz) or something? the problem with the small programs to convert jpeg2ps and things like that is that i don't know how to add

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Geoffrey S. Mendelson, from the post of Tue, 31 Dec: > > We just went to an online food ordering site for lunch. Depsite that 90% > of the users here get a popup on every screen complaining that they are > not using I.E. (most people use mozilla, which does work) and yours > truely complai

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Guy Cohen wrote: > Surely you are joking? To make a site (as complex as it is) to be compliant > with all browsers (or rfcs) is, roughly estimated, 5% more work to someone > who knows what he's doing (i.e. any second level programmer in India, Europa, > USA (though more expensive), Australia and so

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re:Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client)

2002-12-31 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:47, Omer Zak wrote: > First of all, I am taking the liberty of renaming the thread's Subject to > reflect the current reality. Good! :-) > I have a simple suggestion: > > As a pretty good approximation, "no one" knows about Linux, but "everyone" > knows about Mac. > > S

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Guy Cohen
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 04:07:52PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > Omer Zak wrote: > > As a pretty good approximation, "no one" knows about Linux, but "everyone" > > knows about Mac. > > > > So an effort focused at getting Israeli Web masters to make their Web > > sites accessible to Mac by

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
This remoinds me - I'm reading now "The Complete DHTML refference" (or something like that) from O'Reilly (don't sniger - this book is all about portability) and was wondering how feasable would it be to stick an "IE compatibility module" in Mozilla? Has anyone though of that? I don't know Mozill

Re: Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: Mila

2002-12-31 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Omer Zak wrote: > As a pretty good approximation, "no one" knows about Linux, but "everyone" > knows about Mac. > > So an effort focused at getting Israeli Web masters to make their Web > sites accessible to Mac by modifying the Web sites to comply with > standards is likely to be more successful

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
Here here to that! Education can be found the source of many solutions. Maybe aproaching such schools and offering them help with setting up Linux-based classes will be beneficial to both parties - the schools get lower cost of ownership (should probably be shown very good return on investment (R

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Oron Peled, from the post of Tue, 31 Dec: > (politely and rationaly) complain to, thus conveying the message: >"It's better be standard compliant then to deal with bad > publicity from tech savy people about the quality of your > web site". and the PHB hears "please a small bun

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread herouth
Quoting Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It usually goes like this. The boss wants a web site, so he hires a web > development company to create one. The developers in this company are > obviously not people with a dozen years of computing experience, but > people who have gone through a coup

Getting Israeli Web sites to comply with standards (was: Re: MilaTova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client)

2002-12-31 Thread Omer Zak
First of all, I am taking the liberty of renaming the thread's Subject to reflect the current reality. On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Alon Altman wrote: > What do you think? Any more suggestions? I have a simple suggestion: As a pretty good approximation, "no one" knows about Linux, but "everyone" knows

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
> From: Oron Peled > > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:41:55 +0200 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I think you missed the main point: > > > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, > partners) and > > misses the whole point of having a web site. > > Very good, but now we should th

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Alon Altman
I suggest doing an online poll of user browsing prefrences. Ask questions such as: 1. Rate each of the following factors from 1(not important) to 5(very important) for your browsing experience: FACTORS: Loading speed, navigation speed, lack of popup windows, does it work on my sy

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 14:34, Alex Shnitman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 09:16, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > I think you missed the main point: > > > > > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, partners) > > > and misses the whole point of having a web site. > > > > Thi

Re: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Tzahi Fadida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > a bit OT: I want to create a postscript file from a bmp file. when i > print to a file, it creats a huge 17mb postcript file, which loads > and shows ok, but its too big. is there any way to create a > compressed .PS file? p.s: when i print a jpg to a

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Oron Peled
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:41:55 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think you missed the main point: > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, partners) and > misses the whole point of having a web site. Very good, but now we should think of means to substantiate this claim. Ot

Re: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > a bit OT: > I want to create a postscript file from a bmp file. Linux comes with a lot of to utilities at least on my Mandrake 9.0 installation. Try pnmtops (while first using the GIMP and/or pngtopnm). I also have imagetops. ;-) It seems to have come w

Re: ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 02:20:57PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > a bit OT: > I want to create a postscript file from a bmp file. when i print to a file, it creats > a huge 17mb postcript file, which loads and shows ok, but its too big. is there any > way to create a compressed .PS file? > p.s: when

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Alex Shnitman
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 09:16, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > I think you missed the main point: > > > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, partners) and > > misses the whole point of having a web site. > > This they won't agree with, on the basis of "98% of customers use IE >

Re: Difficulty viewing www.penguin.org.il with galeon.

2002-12-31 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Shaul Karl, from the post of Mon, 30 Dec: > Summary: Can you advise why I have a problem with www.penguin.org.il? > The browser trims the page according to its own window width but does > not provide an horizontal scroll bar. > I see it perfectly with Galeon 1.2.7 (Debian Sid) -- Rebe

ps big file

2002-12-31 Thread Tzahi Fadida
a bit OT: I want to create a postscript file from a bmp file. when i print to a file, it creats a huge 17mb postcript file, which loads and shows ok, but its too big. is there any way to create a compressed .PS file? p.s: when i print a jpg to a file, i get the same result, so i think its something

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > > On Tuesday, Dec 31, 2002, at 09:50 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > Another point is that users would like more minimalistic and > > standards-compliant sites better than sites with a lot of > > bandwidth-overloading, DHTML/JS, useless bell

Re: BIDI support for nano editor

2002-12-31 Thread Shaul Karl
On http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/02/12/msg00445.html Daniel Ariel spoke about nano and mentioned that as far as he knows there is no packaging of the fribidi in Debian. This is wrong. The debianized version of fribidi is avialable as libfribidi0. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Tuesday, Dec 31, 2002, at 09:50 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: Another point is that users would like more minimalistic and standards-compliant sites better than sites with a lot of bandwidth-overloading, DHTML/JS, useless bells and whistells madness. Making your site basic and portable w

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
Yes, that's the spirit of my message. Thanks. > -Original Message- > From: Shlomi Fish > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ilshell.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 9:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client > > > On 31 Dec 2002,

RE: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread linux_il
Well, we are drifting into the web and user interface design territory, but the point I made can be concluded from other points in the original list - pop-ups, annoying graphics, heavy load, relliance on particular browser version (even particular IE versions) all will drive away potential customer

Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client

2002-12-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On 31 Dec 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I think you missed the main point: > > > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, partners) and > > misses the whole point of having a web site. > > This they won't agree with, on the basis of "98% of cus