> PS. Could I simply replace
> \override Score.SeparationItem
> with
> \override Lyric.SeparationItem
> (or something) and put it with the lyrics?
You can add
\context {
\Lyrics
\override SeparationItem #'padding = #10
}
to your layout block, and it will affect the output. (O
> Thank you very much, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
I _think_ (perhaps the official guys can comment) that LilyPond has a
fair amount of flexibility built into the staff spacing, so that
adding just a small amount won't have any visible impact on your music
(the extra space just gets soaked
2.6.4, Cygwin.
I was setting a score that fit fine on one page, but that had a blank
markup block below it (left over from the file I'd used as a template)
that went onto a second page. I deleted the markup, and the last line
of music moved onto the second page. This isn't a catastrophic
problem,
I'm obviously not understanding something important about the \skip
command. I'm trying to use it in lyrics to skip over a leading
refrain, and no matter what argument I give it, it skips over exactly
one beat. See the sample below. As I read the documentation, the first
word of verse two ought to
> I hope you have read the manual for version 2.7, since it contains
> several clarifications compared the the earlier version.
I haven't because I've been reluctant to move up to 2.7. Is it stable
enough to use for regular production work?
Thanks,
Geoff
> I thought they are added automatically. =\
> I have that piece of music:
> http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temp22lw.jpg ,encoded in lilypond.
Lilypond will only break at bar lines. The easiest thing to do is to add:
\bar ""
at places where a break would be OK. That adds an invisible b
> I tried to post some code I lifted the example below from one of the examples
> in the documentation, but the submitter form kept saying I was top posting.
What sort of changes did you make to the code from the documentation?
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> To quote Section "Layout tunings within contexts":
>
> "the |\revert| command for a context undoes an |\override| command"
>
> so, simply do
> \revert Staff.TimeSignature #'print-function
> where you want to make the time signature visible again.
That still leaves the blank spaces within the bar
On 3/15/06, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 15-Mar-06, at 3:07 AM, Geoff Horton wrote:
>
> > That still leaves the blank spaces within the bars. You have to remove
> > the engraver to stop that from happening (AFAIK), and I don't know how
>
I didn't used to put | at the end of every bar, but the more I do the
more I've found that it really does make life a lot easier--and even
more so since I started using jEdit, which obligingly gives me the
beat count as soon as I type the | symbol. It's quick and saves me a
fair number of edit/comp
Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I've been working on converting
files to 2.7.38 for the last few days and I'm in full agreement with
Fr. P on this. The lyric spacing in 2.7.38 is very, very bad (see the
attached image, generated from the attached file--there's no way to
tell from the text alo
On 3/16/06, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, look at the example called "lyric-hyphen-retain.ly" in the
> Regression tests document.
Thank you! This does work:
\layout {
\context {
\Lyrics
\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #0.6
}
}
Might I suggest u
> The default value is 0.3, see the link to "LyricSpace" at the bottom of the
> section on "Entering Lyrics".
This is correct, but is it possible to revise the program reference to
make it clear that this property now affects lyric spacing ("Minimum
distance between rest and notes or beam" doesn't
I've been typesetting a number of hymns, and in the process I've come
across (and occasionally at least somewhat invented) some techniques
that are helpful in getting the results to look like I want. Some of
these might be genuine FAQs, but since I concentrate on choral music,
I know there are a lo
> Why not publish them in the LilyPond Snippet Repository?
> See lilypond.org -> Documentation
I may add them, but I do a lot of discussion that I don't think fits
very neatly into the format there.
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> Make sure you run the "texsetup" or "texconfig" and set the dvips paper
> size to "letterpaper". For some reason it defaults to A4 -- even when
> you specify "letterpaper" in your .latex (or .lytex) file. :(
I'll have to play with this more, I guess. I was pulling my hair out
(figuratively) a
> This works fine for me:
>
>
> \version "2.7.36"
>
> soprano = \relative c'' {
> \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #5
> c4 c c c | c c c c | c c c c |
> }
The point is that this is a score-wide tweak, affecting everything and
not just the lyrics. The further point is that an adjustment
On 3/16/06, Bertalan Fodor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |Try to use LyricSpace
>
> Bert|
>
wordsOne = \lyricmode {
\override LyricSpace #'padding = #4
Long long longer longer longest longest longest longest
Long long longer longer longest longest longest longest
}
produces unchanged output.
> The default value is 0.3, see the link to "LyricSpace" at the bottom of the
> section on "Entering Lyrics".
I'm surprised a 0.3 spacing isn't more visible, but I'll shut up (at
least on this point) and go away (at least on this point). Thanks
again for helping me through this.
Geoff
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> What I'm trying to do (I think) is stop a staff, add some space (and text)
> between it and the next staff (exercise 2)...
One way to do this is with multiple \score blocks. AFAIK, Lily will
set each one as it encounters it. The text between can be done with
\markup commands (see the discussion
> I have a score in which the words to the verse have become very close
> together, such that it is hard to read. Is there a control that specifies the
> minimum inter-word space that is acceptable?
See my tips page: www.geoffhorton.com/lilypond.html
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> Is there going to be a v2.8 "Upgrade" function, since I'm using 2.6.5 now.
convert-ly will upgrade old source (input) files. See section 5.6 of
the new manual.
If you're referring to upgrading the program itself, I think it's a
matter of uninstalling the old and installing the new.
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> Is there a recommended editor
> (I'm on Windows here, or I'd consider Kate or something similar) that is
> already recognizes .ly files for syntax highlighting and can handle make
> style compilations?
Emacs can do almost anything, if you're willing to put up with the
learning curve.
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I'm working on a piece that has two lines (soprano and alto) on the
same staff. The alto has a helf-rest where the soprano has music, and
because of the pitches in the soprano line, the alto rest is set on a
ledger line at middle C. I don't want it there; I want it sitting on
the e-line, so I moved
> My question is about the margins. My songbook consists of a D-ring binder, so
> I
> need some space where I can punch the holes. I can only find settings for left
> and right margins, but as you probably know, the holes are on the right on
> even
> pages and on the left on odd pages. So I need
> Have a look in the manual, Section 6.1.6 'Rests.' You can specify where
> the rest goes:
Thank you! I looked through the manual for "ledger" and never thought
to re-read the section on rests to see what's been added.
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> What is the "Regression Tests" documents? Where do I locate them?
They're in the documentation. They're probably installed on your hard
drive, but they're also here:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.6/input/regression/collated-files.html
(well, 2.6.6 is, which should be close enough). It's a large fi
I found a post on the list which suggests using the staff-padding
parameter to put all dynamic markings on the same baseline. But it
didn't say, and I can't figure out, how to actually make that happen.
Based on the manual, this parameter belongs to TextSpanner, which
lives in Voice, so
\layout {
> You're missing an update to the docs that got submitted just after
> 2.8.0 was released. :)
>
>
> Some situations (such as dynamic marks) have preset font-related
> properties. If you are creating text in such situations, it
> is advisable to cancel those properties with
> @code{normal-tex
> Is there any way to define a fixed direction in the stem for the
> individual voices of the piano reduction without having to duplicate
> the source material?
I would apply the \tag functionality; see section 8.2.8 in the manual.
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Every now and then, assigning durations to syllables really is easier
than \lyricsto. I was trying it with long-duration notes and ran into
a problem--\breve is not interpreted as a duration in Lyrics context.
Given the definition of a word (anything up until the next space or
digit), it's easy to
> In addition doesn't auto-complete but rather indents the current
> line...
I'm pretty sure this is the intended behavior.
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I was doing an octave check for "c" when the actual pitch in the
output was "c,".
The resulting error message tells me:
warning: octave check failed; expected c, found: c,
I know what it means, but it's very easy to misconstrue (especially if
the piece had been more complicated). Would it be poss
I'm getting an odd shift in lyrics placement for lyrics placed above a staff:
music = \relative c'' {
c4_\markup \small \italic "word" c c c
}
wordsOne = \lyricmode {
La la la la
}
wordsTwo = \lyricmode {
Lo lo lo lo
}
\score {
<<
\context Lyrics = top { s1 }
\context Staff =
Geoff Horton gmail.com> writes:
>
> I'm getting an odd shift in lyrics placement for lyrics placed above a staff:
etc.
FWIW, the equally obscure and not-in-the-manual-yet alignAboveContext property
fixes it.
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It would be really handy to be able to insert page breaks in the
middle of markups, or at the very least, in between \markup blocks.
The \pageBreak command only works within a score as far as I can tell,
and I'm not excited about dumping a ton of Scheme code into my file,
though I can do that if I
The various language include files
(LilyPond\usr\share\lilypond\current\ly) should answer some of that as
well.
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> in win2k (2.8.1)
> convert-ly work,
> but it is writing in the new file : \version 2.7.40
That's not an error. See the manual, Section 5.6:
"convert-ly always converts up to the last syntax change handled by
it. This means that
the \version number left in the file is usually lower than the ver
I've been trying to use the manual placement mechanism and it doesn't
seem to work. Before I file it as a bug, though, I want to be sure I'm
doing it right. Code follows, output attached. Basically, I want the
rests of the center line of each staff.
world = {
\key d \major
\time 3/2
}
melody
> Try these simple examples on your system. If they work, then try to
> figure out exactly what the difference is between these examples and
> your situation.
It's the \voiceOne etc. that does it.
This does not work:
melody = \relative c'' {
b2\rest
}
alto = \relative c' {
s2
}
\score {
Combining the voices with \partcombine also produces a misplaced rest.
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> Combining the voices with \partcombine also produces a misplaced rest.
Sigh. No, it doesn't. Sorry about that. The other example really is
broken, though.
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A solution (or at least a workaround): Use \oneVoice before the rest
and then \voice[whatever] after it. I don't like it because it makes
the input file busier, but I suspect that a real fix would involve
fairly extensive recoding.
http://www.geoffhorton.com/lilypond.html#placerests
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I want to put a small script to the left of a note. This puts it below the note:
d2_\markup \small \italic "Org."
Is there any way short of using manual offsets to move it?
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I think what I would try in your case is setting each row with an
invisible line of sixteenth notes. See if you have a copy of
partial-blank.ly on your computer and use that as a starting point.
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> 1) How can I enter a chord name with a designated bass note? (commonly
> called "slash" chords). For example how would I enter the chord name
> "Cm7b5/Ab"? Where if I transpose the piece both the "C" AND the "Ab" will
> be transposed properly too?
c:min/af
> 3) Also if I use guitar chord fret
>minimumVerticalExtent = #'(-4.0 . 2.4)
This looks like what you want, but it isn't.
Use \override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-1 . 1) instead.
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> Now I read at this point:
> To use a Unicode escape sequence, use
> #(ly:export (ly:wide-char->utf-8 #x2014))
If you have a UTF-8 compatible text editor, you should be able to type
the character you want directly into your input file.
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> lilypond prepends its own directories to PATH, so this shouldn't be a
> problem.
That assumes no other program comes along and monkeys with PATH, which
may not be a safe assumption.
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I guess I should start by explaining what I want to do. I have a lot
of notes in chords whose noteheads need to be individually \tweak-ed
to be smaller. Always on the lookout to reduce typing (and thus
typos), I tried:
organ = { \tweak "'font-size #-2 }
But LilyPond wants an argument right then a
> Just read sections 11.1.3 and 11.1.6 in the manual.
That's far more complicated than I want, and even further more
complicated than a musician who's not a computer programmer is going
to want to deal with--please note that those sections are in the
chapter on "Interfaces for Programmers". Why sh
> Many pipe tunes have an initial partial bar and a final partial bar in
> the measure, which should between them total an entire bar.
>
> Is there an existing way to barcheck this by telling lilypond that the
> first partial and the final partial should be considered together?
I'm not aware of on
As a matter of practice, I put the dynamics directly in the note code,
even though my philosophical preference is to separate notes from
interpretation as much as possible. I'm not sure why--maybe to keep
down the number of independent music parts, I guess.
> In any case, I'm happy to be shown whe
> My only want now is for a macro pre-processor that can write source code by
> doing string replacements of command patterns out of functions "myFunc(arg1,
> arg2, arg3...)" I write. Something that gets executed right after the
> \include files are processed but BEFORE compilation begins, that wo
Can LilyPond engrave an old-style F clef, such as the one in this
Wikipedia article?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#The_F_clef
It doesn't look like it from 7.7.4 in the manual, but I thought I
might be missing something.
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> Unfortunately, although it now *looks* correct, I get the error
> programming error: unknown prefatory spacing
> continuing, cross fingers
> once per affected Staff-measure in the Score.
>
> Is there a better method than the one I'm using?
> If not, is this error something I can just ig
> Programming error messages should indicate bugs in LilyPond, no?
I've never worked with the code, but my impression from using LilyPond
is that "programming error" messages are not exactly bugs, but more in
the lines of complaints that Lily has been asked to do something too
complicated to figur
> The followup question is obvious, but I leave it to you to think about it
> and see if you get any further.
I've been wondering for some time if the distinction is a helpful one,
but I suspect changing it now would involve too much internal
tinkering, not to mention breaking of old scores.
Geof
This is a great tip! Thanks for sharing it.
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> The script seems to run, but stops at conversion 2.7.40 and leaves
> the line \version "2.7.40" in the new file. (It started as "2.6.0".)
> Is this the expected outcome or should it have continued further?
There weren't any syntax changes after 2.7.40, so that's what
convert-ly codes in the \ver
Add this to your \paper block:
annotate-space = ##t
That will show you what LilyPond thinks is going into each space.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help in this case, because the extra space
between the first and second staves isn't labelled with anything. This
makes me wonder if you haven't found a
> annotate-space = ##t
Sorry, that should be annotate-spacing = ##t
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> 1. Why is my single 8. notes so big, and how do I change it to the size
> similar to the other notes?
I'm not clear on the problem here. I don't see any outsize notes. Are
you referring to the ones with flags rather than with beams?
> 2. How do I change the size of the text under the grace note
> So I was thinking of a method to make contibuting to the docs more easy.
> Perhaps it's a good idea to set up a wiki for the docs.
I'm of two minds about this. The advantages you point out are real,
but I also encounter a lot of frustration with wiki-based docs; for
one thing, there's no very go
> Unfortunately I do not agree with most of your points. About searching: I
> often use google. With the option site:lilypond.org you can narrow the
> search to that site and by including a version number in the search terms
> you can narrow it down to one version. This method could be used with a
> About the "tarballs". Most Windows users don't even know what a "tarball"
> is.
This is a good point. I think zip files are much more portable than tarballs.
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> no problem, a zip file can also be generated. anyway, AFAIK all major
> unzip programs for windows extract tarballs and other formats as well.
WinXP has native support for reading zip files but not for tarballs.
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> this is not much of a problem because a zip file is as easy to generate
> as a tarball. but just for the record, if windows users want to be able
> to extract files in tarballs and other formats as well they can use the
> free program 7-zip:
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/
I know. I use it. But is Joe
> One hangup for me is lilypond's handling of lyrics. I don't care as much how
> they're entered as how they're output. Right now, it looks like syllables are
> aligned so that the left edge of the longest syllable (in polyphonic choral
> music) is aligned with the center of the note it's matched w
> I am setting up a piece of music that has a soprano and alto line. I
> have figured out how to add lyrics to the alto line but realise that my
> soprano lyrics will be tricky.
See if this helps any:
http://www.geoffhorton.com/hymns/7FoldAmen.ly
Geoff
> > but Lilypond (more likely LaTeX) won't let me. Does anyone know a
> > workaround?
It's LilyPond. LaTeX isn't even used anymore. Roman numerals or
spelling out the numbers ( \globalZeroOne ) are the only ways I know
to work around it.
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> Is it possible to add a div< marking when a soprano line temprorarily
> divides into two parts? I am writing the soprano part as one music
> block with the brief voiceOne voiceTwo layering when division occurs.
You can certainly do that with text markup. See 8.1 in the manual.
Geoff
> Is it possible to declare it somehow in the LilyPond lyrics mode?
> I.e. that LilyPond does not print these "words" to individual notes, but it
> interprets it as one group together with the first syllable of the following
> word? For example, writing
>
> \addlyrics { v le -- se }
\addlyrics { "
> Thank you both very much! Everything's alright now. But is it described
> somewhere in the manual? I didn't noticed that...
I don't see it there. Hmm. It does say that an underscore would have
the same effect, so you could try v_le -- se.
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> \define-music-function {\foo \x \y} { c8 \x d8 \y }
> ...
> { \foo e16 {f g} }
> =>
> { c8 e16 d8 {f16 g16} }
>
> The usefulness of this kind of function is disputed among developers, so it
> might not become part of the official lilypond distribution.
I am not a developer (though I do read the
> > In 2.8 there's an essential difference between grob and context properties,
> > which is visible for end-users: the \tweak command only makes sense on
> > layout
> > object properties, not on context properties. This difference might make it
> > easier for new users to understand grob properti
Using the techniques currently available in LilyPond, Erik's example
is easily implemented as:
foo = #(define-music-function (parser location x y) (ly:music? ly:music?)
#{
c8 $x d8 $y #})
{ \foo e16 { f g }}
As you see, you don't really need any Scheme competence to do it.
I question
What target group do you have in mind? Unless you are a programmer, I
don't really see how it would help an ordinary music typesetter.
Well, it could help those of us who'd like to help out more with
development but don't have a clear conception of how stuff fits
together.
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I don't understand the point of this discussion.
I do appreciate the help that you and others so readily give, and I'm
sorry you didn't like my statement, but I stand by it. (Please note
that I'm not arguing for a large change in the way things work--that's
David's argument, if he wants to make
This is the point I really want to jump on. After the first two or
three emails, this descended into the usual pointless spat over
ease-of-use and documentation. Stop talking about it, and start doing
something! If we all spent half as much time _working_ on the docs
that we've spent _talking_
As far as I understand, it should be trivial to make a
version of define-music-function where the user doesn't have to add
these arguments manually, so the syntax is
#(new-define-music-function (arg1 arg2 ... ) (typecheck1 typecheck2 ... )
#{ordinary LilyPond code using $arg1 $arg2 ... #}
Sorry for prolonging this thread... but have you taken a look at David
Raleigh Arnold's "Lilypond Tools"?
None of the hits for _David Raleigh Arnold Lilypond Tools" look like
the right site. Am I missing something?
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Could be this:
http://www.openguitar.com/lyutilities.html
I think so. Thanks!
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I forgot an point: with lilypond-book I get a font (emmentaler-20) which
causes errors for dvips,
I did not get it working to install this font properly.
I think getting lilypond-book to work will be both the easier and the
better approach in the long run.
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Read the NEWS for version 2.8. The \tweak command hasn't
made it into the main manual yet.
It's in section 9.2.6.
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1/ Is it possible to place some noteheads into the parentheses?
Yes. See the \parenthesize command in 9.2.6 of the manual, assuming
you're using a 2.8 version of LilyPond. It's possible to do it in 2.6
versions, but on the messy side.
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perhaps the \time 14/4 should be \time 15\4 in the next to the last
line?
And for this reason, I strongly suggest using the barcheck feature.
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p.s. Graham -- shouldn't we try to implement some standards/
conventions within the various examples in different parts of the
documentation? e.g., here the Staff is explicitly instantiated
*WITHIN* a \relative block, whereas other docs have the other way
around, or use variables, or... I imagine
I have been looking on and off at m4 macros for the sort of music I'm
typesetting. The advantage to this is that, if LilyPond changes
something, I might just have to change a macro definition or two and
re-compile.
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On 7/12/06, Palmer, Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Greetings -
I'm grateful for LilyPond, and for all the work a number of you are
putting into the program and the documentation. I can find answers to
most of my questions, although some take some
e'''2 r2 ^\markup { \center-align { \line { (to aud.): \""A" "TRIO."\"
Backwards :)
"\"A TRIO\"'
ought to do it.
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I want to have a preambel, that is split in two columns.
\markup {
\fill-line {
\hspace #1.0 % add more of these at the beginning and end
\hspace #1.0 % to move the columns closer together
\column {
"The first column"
"goes here"
}
\hspace #3
\column {
"The seco
I must have never before used this on anything with an accidental in
it, because I just noticed some undesirable (to my mind) behavior.
(2.8.6 Windows version, docs to match.) Consider a line like this:
a bf a a \divisioMinima g a b
I think most chants wouldn't show a natural sign before that fi
You can take one of two courses of action here:
1. Update to a more recent version of Lilypond (this bug was fixed a
couple months ago)
-OR-
2. \override Rest #'staff-position = #0.0001
A third option is to use the b4\rest syntax in section 6.1.6 of the
manual (2.8.6 version).
Geoff
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Looks like I spoke too soon.
The b4\rest syntax (or in my case, because of bass clef, d4\rest) did not work.
I suppose its the same bug, or at least related. I think I'll just move to 2.8.6.
That's not a bad thing, but you can also fix the problem by using:
\oneVoice d4\rest \voiceOne (or \
What you want to do is to stack them side-by-side using markup
commands, rather like this:
\markup {
\fill-line {
\hspace #1.0 % add more of these at the beginning and end
\hspace #1.0 % to move the verses closer together
\column {
"5. The fifth verse goes here"
"With all its
Is it possible to add the melody line with invisible notes and turn
off collision detection? I should think it would end up lining up
right.
Geoff
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I think you missed a significant step. That file can't run straight
through LaTex. You need to run it through lilypond-book first, as
described in section 12.6 of the Lilypond 2.6 manual. (Look for
"Invoking lilypond-book" in the table of contents.)
Geoff
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However, and my apologies for being so dim, how do I run it throught
lilypond-book?
Are you using Windows, Max OSX, Linux, or what? Also (though it
shouldn't matter), what version of Lilypond are you using?
Geoff
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