Re: significance of whitespace

2009-04-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Can be typed pretty rapidly too: hold down right shift with your little >> finger and <> fall under the index and middle fingers. > ..not everyone uses us keyboard Exactly. It's already a pain to type `{', `}', and `\' with a German keyboard... Werner _

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Robin Bannister
Wei-Wei Guo wrote: I still have no idea how to input some music symbols, such as a short piece of pure staff, timesignature, keysignature, and so on. Search the snippet repository for "engravers". In particular, try out the (complete) snippet in http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=280 Ch

Re: lyrics and aftergrace

2009-04-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Stefan I would not normally expect to see a separate syllable for one or both grace notes. The syllable sung on the note following, or in your case preceding, the grace note would be extended to cover the grace note(s) too. Is this not what you would expect? Trevor - Original Message -

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Snippet? Trevor - Original Message - From: "Kieren MacMillan" To: "Mark Polesky" Cc: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:25 AM Subject: Re: TimeSignature with white border? Mark, This one is a little better. You rock -- thanks! Kieren. __

Re: custom keysignature help

2009-04-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
James I've no idea what the problem is - the lines in error look correct to me. But are the last two lines in the log a clue? These point to lines 53 and 65. I suspect the error is there. Trevor - Original Message - From: "James E. Bailey" To: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" Sent:

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Kees van den Doel wrote: > I agree it makes total sense to have an "accidental_level2" which make > additional microtonal > alterations to the 12 "diatonic pitches and their equally tempered > "accidental_level1" alterations (b and #)", > but there is only one level of accidental in Lilypond, a

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-07 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Joseph Wakeling wrote: > I've attached the .ly files for people's amusement. I don't know if > it's even _possible_ to make them work, but the errors seem to crop up > when the transposition would normally transform a natural into a flat or > sharp (or vice versa). Whoops, I attached the wrong fi

Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Christ van Willegen
...although we all are in 'the real world' (or at least think we are :-) ) Recently, I was attending a speech by one of the leading people being busy with compiling a new book of church songs for The Netherlands (or at least the Calvinist/Lutheran part of it). When the speech was finished I asked

Re: Beaming of 32nd notes in 3/4 time

2009-04-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Nick You will need to revert the default auto-beaming rules for 3/4 time to turn off the beaming every 8th note. You don't say what version you are using, and there are differences in the default auto-beaming rules. Look up revert-automatic-beam-setting in the index to the Notation Referenc

Re: custom keysignature help

2009-04-07 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. April 2009 schrieb James E. Bailey: > I'm trying to figure out what the character in the custom key > signature is, and it's not working for me. I've tried copying and > pasting from the manual, but it's not working for. I get these error

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Dienstag, 7. April 2009 schrieb Christ van Willegen: >[...] at least it can be shown > that Lilypond is ready for world usage. I doubt that anyone who has seen e.g. Michael Käpplers score of Telemann's "Meine Schafe hören meine Stimme", available at http://icking-music-archive.org/ByCompo

Re: lyrics and aftergrace

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Thomas
Yes, this is exactly what I want 2009/4/7 Trevor Daniels : > Stefan > > I would not normally expect to see a separate syllable for one or both grace > notes.  The syllable sung on the note following, or in your case preceding, > the grace note would be extended to cover the grace note(s) too. Is t

Re: Beaming of 32nd notes in 3/4 time

2009-04-07 Thread nick . payne
Ok, I managed to figure it out: #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 3 4) 1 8) #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 3 4) 2 8) #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 3 4) 3 8) #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 3 4) 4 8) #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 3 4) 5 8) #(revert-auto-bea

Re: custom keysignature help

2009-04-07 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. April 2009 schrieb James E. Bailey: I'm trying to figure out what the character in the custom key signature is, and it's not working for me. I've tried copying and pasting from the manual, but it's not wo

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op dinsdag 07 april 2009, schreef Christ van Willegen: > (...) told me that they were already looking into using Lilypond... > > So, here's a serious example of the usage of Lilypond in the real world. > > I was wondering if perhaps 'we' were able to help him, by: > - Engraving songs for publishing

Beaming of 32nd notes in 3/4 time

2009-04-07 Thread nick . payne
I'm trying to get automatic beaming of 32nd notes to end every quarter note rather than every eighth note. I thought the following should achieve it, but the beaming of 32nd notes still breaks every eighth note: relative c'' { time 3/4 #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end 1 32 * *) 1 4) #(overr

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 07-04-2009 om 11:56 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Christ van Willegen: [cc list] > - Extending Lilypond to (more easily?) accomodate engraving of church > music. Two examples that I can think of are: Setting rests at the end > of a system, and making music centered and not left aligned;

filling meaasures with rests automatically

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear community, there is one feature, that I know from Sibelius and Finale, which would be great to have in Lilypond too. If You have for example just one sixteenth note in a 4/4 bar, than sibelius automatically fills the rest of the bar with rests. I think rosegarden is able to do that too, but as

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Best wishes, Wei-Wei

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Dear Robin and all, Thanks for your reply. I'm new to Lilypond. It cost me some time to understand the snippet in your link. As I understand, the snippet is manipulating engraver by restricting their appearance. It's a similar method with \remove. If my understanding is right, I have tried the me

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:37:40PM +0800, Wei-Wei Guo wrote: > Dear Robin and all, > > Thanks for your reply. I'm new to Lilypond. It cost me some time to understand > the snippet in your link. As I understand, the snippet is manipulating > engraver > by restricting their appearance. It's a simila

Re:Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear community, concerning the notation of microtonal accicentals, in my opinion the solution of Hans Zender is quite good. He suggests to write changes of intonation with (-) (+) (on 12th of a tone higher or lower), (--) (++), and so on. This can be done easily in Lilypond and is quite understanda

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
The attached tar file is my example, which is in HTML format. The example has two PNG files which are all generated by Lilypond. The first is a single G clef, which is put in the normal text. The second is a piece of music script, which has its own line. My problem is related to the first kind.

Re: filling meaasures with rests automatically

2009-04-07 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Stefan, there is one feature, that I know from Sibelius and Finale, which would be great to have in Lilypond too. If You have for example just one sixteenth note in a 4/4 bar, than sibelius automatically fills the rest of the bar with rests. I think rosegarden is able to do that too, but as f

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Mats Bengtsson
You didn't really answer the question, namely exactly how you used LilyPond to generate the PNG files (the input file and the commands you used to produce the output). Please note that lilypond-book is one option to produce HTML pages with embedded LilyPond code. /Mats Wei-Wei Guo wrote:

Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Tom Dickson
A feature I would like is to make it so that barchecks don't fail on the end of a staff started with \partial. Especially in songs, the last measure will usually be cut down by the same amount as the \partial at the beginning. Currently I have to hide the time signature and change time at t

Re: filling meaasures with rests automatically

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear Kieren, I think it could be easy, for someone, who can handle scheme, but for me, I guess, it's too complicated. 2009/4/7 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi Stefan, > >> there is one feature, that I know from Sibelius and Finale, which >> would be great to have in Lilypond too. >> If You have for exampl

Re: How to input keysignature or timesignature in \markup?

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Sorry for that. I generate the PNG files by the following command: lilypond -dbackend=eps -dno-gs-load-fonts -dinclude-eps-fonts --png target.ly The command is called from other software package(Sphinx). The 'target.ly' file is generated by inserting the content, for example \musicglyph #"cl

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Why would you insert a bar check at a place where you know that the measure isn't finished? Bar checks are only intended to help you make sure that LilyPond thinks that the measure is finished at the same place as you think it is. If you want an ending bar line, just use \bar "|." (or whatever

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Tom Dickson
I use it to verify I didn't make a mistake in the last measure, especially when I have multiple voices in a single staff. -tom On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Why would you insert a bar check at a place where you know that the measure > isn't finished? > Bar checks are on

Re: custom keysignature help

2009-04-07 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 07.04.2009 um 13:31 schrieb Mats Bengtsson: Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. April 2009 schrieb James E. Bailey: I'm trying to figure out what the character in the custom key signature is, and it's not working for me. I've tried copy

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Tom Dickson wrote: I use it to verify I didn't make a mistake in the last measure, especially when I have multiple voices in a single staff. ??? If you know that the last measure is incomplete, it's obvious that you will get a bar check error if you insert a bar check there. If you really wan

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Tom Dickson
That's basically what I do, but using \time. With your example I use: \relative c'{\partial 8 c8 | c4 d e f | \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f \time 7/8 d2 c4. \bar "|." | } Since I'm combining Soprano and Alto voices into one staff, this allows me to put all the timing informatio

Re: Repeating subtltle with bookparts

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 7 avr. 09 à 00:57, Nick Payne a écrit : Is it intended that a title or subtitle in the main header should be repeated in each bookpart that doesn't redefine the title or subtitle, because that's what I see [...] "Main Subtitle" appears in each bookpart. If I change each bookpart to use su

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
I see what you're suggesting now - you'd like the bar check on the final bar automatically to take the initial \partial into account, if there was one, by adding the length of first and last bars together, right? It would be nice feature. Bet Sibelius and Finale don't do that! Trevor -

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 6 avr. 09 à 09:35, Trevor Daniels a écrit : As I do little note entry myself I don't have a view on the merits of q vs &, but there is another issue to consider. If the base chord being repeated contains tweaks, fingering, etc, are these to be repeated too? This should be customizable: a d

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Christ van Willegen
Jan, list, On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Op dinsdag 07-04-2009 om 11:56 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Christ van > Willegen: >> - Extending Lilypond to (more easily?) accomodate engraving of church >> music. Two examples that I can think of are: Setting rests at the e

Re: Real World Usage

2009-04-07 Thread craigbakalian
Hi All, I am a composer who is using Lilypond exclusively. I have used it for a choir and piano piece, flute and piano sonatas, piano pieces, numerous chamber works, and a full three movement trumpet concerto. It already is real world usage. I don't get the topic. Do you mean c

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Trevor Daniels wrote: I see what you're suggesting now - you'd like the bar check on the final bar automatically to take the initial \partial into account, if there was one, by adding the length of first and last bars together, right? It would be nice feature. Bet Sibelius and Finale don't do

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Tom Dickson
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Trevor Daniels wrote: > >> I see what you're suggesting now - you'd like the bar check on the final >> bar automatically to take the initial \partial into account, if there was >> one, by adding the length of first and last bars together, rig

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Snippet? Definitely! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread James E. Bailey
What an interesting suggestion. What about \partial in the middle of a piece? Am 07.04.2009 um 18:33 schrieb Trevor Daniels: I see what you're suggesting now - you'd like the bar check on the final bar automatically to take the initial \partial into account, if there was one, by adding the

Re: Allow LilyPond to automatically handle then end of a staff with \partial

2009-04-07 Thread Tom Dickson
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM, James E. Bailey wrote: > What an interesting suggestion. What about \partial in the middle of a > piece? > I would suggest an \endPartial command or similar that tells LilyPond to check the partial that began it. Perhaps it's too detailed. -tom _

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/7 Kieren MacMillan : >> Snippet? > > Definitely! > Kieren. This will make an excellent snippet if it's amended slightly. :) I hope Mark didn't spend too long working out the stencil overrides, as there's already the public function stencil-whiteout (used for the markup command \whiteout) w

Re: lyrics and aftergrace

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/7 Stefan Thomas : > Yes, this is exactly what I want I think you'll have to fake the grace notes in this situation. You probably won't get them to look perfectly grace-like, due to spacing constraints and the action of the lyrics, though you might be able to tweak them slightly by override

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> #(define-public (default-repetition-function previous-chord new-chord) > ... build a music expression...) > #(ly:parser-repetition-name parser "&") > #(ly:parser-repetition-function parser default-repetition-function) Nice idea! Werner ___

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Neil, I hope Mark didn't spend too long working out the stencil overrides, as there's already the public function stencil-whiteout (used for the markup command \whiteout) which will do the job in one fell swoop: \override Staff.Clef #'stencil = #(lambda (grob) (stencil-whiteout (ly:clef::pr

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Neil Puttock wrote: > I hope Mark didn't spend too long working out the > stencil overrides, as there's already the public > function stencil-whiteout (used for the markup > command \whiteout) which will do the job in one > fell swoop... Neil, don't worry about my time! :} It seems my prog

Slur below note affects fingering location above note

2009-04-07 Thread Nick Payne
Is this a bug or not? The fingering indications for C and D don't sit just above the noteheads as they do for the other notes. If I remove the slur between those two notes, then the fingering is positioned at the desired location. Why should a slur positioned below the notes affect the location of

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-07 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:50:17AM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: > > Patch attached for those who want to try. > I was wondering what the "experts" think of my suggested patches to change Lilypond's MID output behaviour: Current: default MIDI Note On velocity value of 127 Proposed: default M

Re: Slur below note affects fingering location above note

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/7 Nick Payne : > Is this a bug or not? The fingering indications for C and D don't sit just > above the noteheads as they do for the other notes. If I remove the slur > between those two notes, then the fingering is positioned at the desired > location. Why should a slur positioned below the

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/7 Martin Tarenskeen : > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:50:17AM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: >> >> Patch attached for those who want to try. >> > > I was wondering what the "experts" think of my suggested patches to > change Lilypond's MID output behaviour: > > Current: default MIDI Note On ve

Re: shift lyrics closer to staff

2009-04-07 Thread Robin Bannister
Marek Klein wrote: I tried it using the commented line, but it didn't work You can make the cantus more approachable. Adjust the -2 to taste. \include "gregorian.ly" \score { << \new VaticanaVoice = "cantus" { \override Staff.VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-2 . 4)

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-07 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/7 Mark Polesky : > Neil, > > don't worry about my time! :} > > It seems my programming style is "reinventing the wheel" > but sometimes I think that's a good way to learn. Indeed, I've done a lot of that myself. :) > By the way, one benefit of my approach is that you can > select a paddin

RE: Slur below note affects fingering location above note

2009-04-07 Thread Nick Payne
Thanks, that fixes the problem. Nick > -Original Message- > From: lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org > [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org] On > Behalf Of Neil Puttock > Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2009 08:49 > To: Nick Payne > Cc: lilypon

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread M Watts
Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Have you seen oo

Re: Real World Usage

2009-04-07 Thread Paul Scott
craigbakalian wrote: Hi All, I am a composer who is using Lilypond exclusively. I have used it for a choir and piano piece, flute and piano sonatas, piano pieces, numerous chamber works, and a full three movement trumpet concerto. It already is real world usage. It's great that c

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
M Watts 写道: Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Hav

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote: > M Watts 写道: >> >> Wei-Wei Guo wrote: >>> >>> Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. >>> >>> Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I >>> find >>> it

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Wei-Wei Guo, explaining what a quaver is in text line. \markup { A quaver looks like \fontsize #-2 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"8" #1 } Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: shift lyrics closer to staff

2009-04-07 Thread Marek Klein
Many thanks! -- Marek Klein http://gregoriana.sk 2009/4/8 Robin Bannister > Marek Klein wrote: > >> I tried it using the commented line, but it didn't work >> > > You can make the cantus more approachable. Adjust the -2 to taste. > \include "gregorian.ly" > \score { > << > \new VaticanaVoice

Re: lyrics and aftergrace

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear Neil, thanks! I'm now able to do what I wanted! 2009/4/7 Neil Puttock : > 2009/4/7 Stefan Thomas : >> Yes, this is exactly what I want > > I think you'll have to fake the grace notes in this situation.  You > probably won't get them to look perfectly grace-like, due to spacing > constraints a

Re: Left/right noteheads in chord containing second

2009-04-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Nick, Here's a rather awkward solution. How often would you need this? And just out of curiosity, why? I guess I would use something like this if I were making a "circle the correct notation" exercise in a textbook or something. Anyway, the solution I have here would be a pain if you needed to d

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Hi Andrew, Thanks! It's good to know it. But it is a pity that the fonts still have limited symbols. Wei-Wei Andrew Hawryluk 写道: Do you mean including musical symbols in the body text? You may be interested in http://www.mu.qub.ac.uk/tomita/bachfont/ Andrew

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009-04-07 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Hi Kieren, I think that might be the method, combining basic symbols, that I'm looking for. I actually don't understand those "#Y" or "#DOWN". I guess those represent some basic symbols. Could you point me to any material explaining this? I'm searching like a blind touching everything but getti