Re: that acciaccatura issue

I am not commenting on a lot that can stand on its own. That does not mean that I disagree, merely that I don't see that anything is in want of adding. We don't need to incite Karl Valentin's "Es ist alles gesagt worden, nur noch nicht von jedem." (everything has been said already but not yet by

Re: that acciaccatura issue

Flaming Hakama by Elaine writes: > Wouldn't it have been better to just provide a response to the first > reasonable request? What kept you from doing so? At any rate, the "minimal example" note was brought by Simon, a few not-really-helpful hints based on the non-minimal example came from othe

Re: that acciaccatura issue

"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Werner, > > Thank you for your input into this matter. > Some comments amaze me: > "pretending to be a novice" > "you should already know" > "sounds like a lame excuse" > "it isn't rocket science" > > Even my parents were not so patronizing

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"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > David, > > Thank you for your continued effort to instruct me in this matter. > > I am amazed/surprised/confounded on the amount of time and effort that has > been expended on a justification of the "minimal" requirement what could > have been spent on just viewing

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2016-08-23 3:42 GMT+02:00 Flaming Hakama by Elaine : > >> What hinders you *in trying* to create a minimum example? > > > 1) Because it is veers toward being a ridiculous and arbitrary criteria. > Speaking for myself, the example presented in this case was ***clearly*** > small enough to debug. Tr

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2016-08-23 1:43 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : > Thomas, > > Thank you for your continued time and work. > > May I suggest that you take the code and display it through Frescobaldi? You > shall see that the instrument name (Var. IX) does not appear. > > Mark Hi Mark, be ensured I always compile

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>> What hinders you *in trying* to create a minimum example? > > [...] > > I understand the intention of the requests (although not demands) > for minimal examples. But, as someone who has spent a lifetime > developing and debugging code, I can assure you that these demands > are strictly unnece

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> What hinders you *in trying* to create a minimum example? > 1) Because it is veers toward being a ridiculous and arbitrary criteria. Speaking for myself, the example presented in this case was ***clearly*** small enough to debug. In my opinion, anyone saying otherwise either has a tangential a

RE: that acciaccatura issue

Kevin, Agreed. Amen Mark From: Kevin Barry [mailto:barr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 3:12 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: Carl Sorensen ; David Kastrup ; Thomas Morley ; lilypond-user Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue On 22 August 2016 at 22:30, Mark Stephen

RE: that acciaccatura issue

gmx.de] On Behalf Of Werner LEMBERG Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:38 PM To: carsonm...@ca.rr.com Cc: d...@gnu.org; thomasmorle...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue > Some comments amaze me: > "pretending to be a novice" >

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On 22 August 2016 at 22:30, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > The concept of "minimal" is rather subjective. It's not subjective; it is described here: http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html "an example from which nothing can be removed" Producing a minimal example doesn't require power user skills

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2016-08-22 18:38 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : > The two line "solution" does provide the desired "print out," yet in > isolation. When inserted into the entire score (Piano of two staves) it > creates the same multiple time/key signatures as my coding. This leads me to > question the benefit

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> Some comments amaze me: > "pretending to be a novice" > "you should already know" > "sounds like a lame excuse" > "it isn't rocket science" > > Even my parents were not so patronizing! Well, English is not my mother tongue, and I can't reply with such elegant and poli

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o:c_soren...@byu.edu] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:17 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; 'David Kastrup' Cc: 'Thomas Morley' ; 'lilypond-user' Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue Mark, On 8/22/16 1:49 PM, "Mark Stephen Mrotek" wrote: >May I sugge

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Mark, On 8/22/16 1:49 PM, "Mark Stephen Mrotek" wrote: >May I suggest that if my, or any other beginners, snippet is not minimal >enough for any reader, that the reader just close out the e-mail? Are you really asking us to ignore your emails if you don't provide tiny examples? I think that wi

RE: that acciaccatura issue

izing! Mark -Original Message- From: werner.lemb...@gmx.de [mailto:werner.lemb...@gmx.de] On Behalf Of Werner LEMBERG Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:37 PM To: carsonm...@ca.rr.com Cc: d...@gnu.org; thomasmorle...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue >

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> I am amazed/surprised/confounded on the amount of time and effort > that has been expended on a justification of the "minimal" > requirement what could have been spent on just viewing (via > Frescobaldi not a PDF) the "errors" in my code. (Wow that was a run > on!). Mark, we try to *educate*

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Thomas Morley' ; 'lilypond-user' Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue "Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > David, > > And it would have been "visible" if the file I attached had been > viewed rather than dismissed as not being "minimal." Reminds

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"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > David, > > And it would have been "visible" if the file I attached had been viewed > rather than dismissed as not being "minimal." Reminds me Aesop fable of the > Fox and the Grapes. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The symptoms of the grace sy

RE: that acciaccatura issue

22, 2016 9:50 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: 'Thomas Morley' ; 'lilypond-user' Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue "Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > The two lines have been used toe "rebuild" the template. Yet the > acciaccatura problem still exists! M

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"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > The two lines have been used toe "rebuild" the template. Yet the > acciaccatura problem still exists! My solution: eliminate the > acciaccatura and get on with the rest of the score. In this case, the acciacatura has not even been a part of the problem, so I am su

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again, and good day. Martk -Original Message- From: Thomas Morley [mailto:thomasmorle...@gmail.com] / Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 12:34 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: Simon Albrecht ; lilypond-user Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue 2016-08-22 0:20 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : >

Re: that acciaccatura issue

Thomas Morley writes: > At some point while creating a minimal example you may get: > > << > \time 4/4 > \key bes \major > \new Voice { s1 } > \new Voice { s1 } >>> > > Now all voices (those you explicitely create _and_ the others) are not > longer forced to be in one Staff. > (Though I'm

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-22 0:20 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : > I do not know the intricacies of Lilypond and > therefore am unable to distinguish what code can be eliminated to create a > "minimal." Remembering the time I started with LilyPond, things went wrong pretty often. I had no clue why and ofcourse I w

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"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Thomas Morley, > > Thank you for your extensive and detailed reply. > The time and knowledge that you spent on my inquiry indicates a real, > and appreciated, desire to assist. Yes and no. You'll find that most of the work in that reply was _not_ invested in assi

RE: that acciaccatura issue (minimal example)

-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Flaming Hakama by Elaine Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lilypond-User Mailing List Subject: RE: that acciaccatura issue (minimal example) Simon, Since I am not a power user as some on this list are

RE: that acciaccatura issue (minimal example)

> Simon, > > Since I am not a power user as some on this list are, please indicate what > I > should leave out. > The indication of a Piano Staff? > The key and time signatures? > The indication of two explicit voices in the "upper" staff? > The inclusion of the "\grace s8" in two of the other voic

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st. It is, and shall always be, appreciated beyond verbalization. Mark -Original Message- From: Simon Albrecht [mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:05 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; 'Thomas Morley' Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: that acciaccatura is

Re: that acciaccatura issue

On 21.08.2016 23:53, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: The time and knowledge that you spent on my inquiry indicates a real, and appreciated, desire to assist. Several times in the past I have sought aid from this list. Every "trouble" was quickly and clearly resolved. Never have I experienced such a

RE: that acciaccatura issue

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:45 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: Simon Albrecht ; lilypond-user Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue 2016-08-21 19:59 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : > Simon, > > Since I am not a power user as some on this list are, please indicate > what I sho

Re: that acciaccatura issue

mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:23 AM > To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue > > On 21.08.2016 19:18, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: >> A minimal example was attached. > > No it wasn&#

RE: that acciaccatura issue

org] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:11 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue "Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Hello, > > > > When an acciaccatura (or grace) is attached to the first pitch of one > of several voice

RE: that acciaccatura issue

voices? The pitches and durations after the first in each of the voices? Thank you for your kind consideration. Mark -Original Message- From: Simon Albrecht [mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:23 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: R

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On 21.08.2016 19:18, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: A minimal example was attached. No it wasn’t. There were lots of stuff in it that have nothing to do with the problem. Please (re)read carefully, and do as it says. Yours, Simon ___

RE: that acciaccatura issue

al Message- From: Simon Albrecht [mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:07 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: that acciaccatura issue Hi Mark, _always_ make a minimal example in such a case. If you had done so, you might have realised that the

Re: that acciaccatura issue

"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Hello, > > > > When an acciaccatura (or grace) is attached to the first pitch of one of > several voices, the other voices must also have one of the same duration - > usually with a "s" pitch. > > How do I attach an acciaccatura to a rest? (Please see attached sn

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Hi Mark, _always_ make a minimal example in such a case. If you had done so, you might have realised that the problem is the \key statement outside the explicit voices: % << \new Staff << %\key bes \major \new Voice { \key bes \major \acciaccatura a'8 bes

that acciaccatura issue

Hello, When an acciaccatura (or grace) is attached to the first pitch of one of several voices, the other voices must also have one of the same duration - usually with a "s" pitch. How do I attach an acciaccatura to a rest? (Please see attached snippet.) Thank you for your kind attention.