Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/18 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> That seems trivial -- surely everybody knows this already -- so >> let's discuss a specific example. I'll pick on Valentin since he >> won't mind... and also since

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:24:58 -0300 Hugo Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Graham Percival skrev: > >> I haven't been a doc writer for a year; I'm a doc manager. And > >> today I'm doing nothing but giving my thesis presentation every > >> hour in preparation for tomorrow's defense, which giv

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-18 Thread Hugo Ribeiro
Graham Percival skrev: I haven't been a doc writer for a year; I'm a doc manager. And today I'm doing nothing but giving my thesis presentation every hour in preparation for tomorrow's defense, which gives me 30-40 Tell us a litlle about your thesis... HUgo _

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Ralph Palmer
I owe you an enormous debt of gratitude for your advice, patience, and persistence in demanding a better product from me. I'll talk more with Valentin and Neil about the Snippet Repository. Break a leg tomorrow, Ralph On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread John Mandereau
2008/8/18 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:38 +0200 > "John Mandereau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why not doing both? > > Because it's impossible to do both at the same time. It takes > time and energy to answer emails or write docs. > > That seems trivial -- sur

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-18 Thread Eva & Morten Borchorst
Graham Percival skrev: I haven't been a doc writer for a year; I'm a doc manager. And today I'm doing nothing but giving my thesis presentation every hour in preparation for tomorrow's defense, which gives me 30-40 minutes to write emails. If a one-hour email now saves the doc team 15 minutes p

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:54:44 -0300 "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Ralph Palmer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetings, all - > > > > I'm getting confused and slightly distressed. I'm now spending > > close to an hour a day just reading the dis

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Ralph Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings, all - > > I'm getting confused and slightly distressed. I'm now spending close to an > hour a day just reading the discussion list! I'm signed up to do th It seems that the documentation team is worried about sp

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, I'm not saying that doing a 2-hour feature is bad, but I *definitely* disagree that losing somebody from the doc team isn't cause for serious concern. A feature-freeze and/or bug-extension is more concerning to me… But that's (another reason) why I'm not the Documentation Editor,

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Ralph Palmer
Greetings, all - I'm getting confused and slightly distressed. I'm now spending close to an hour a day just reading the discussion list! I'm signed up to do the indexing, but as far as I know there's nothing ready to be indexed. I'd be willing to try to write some snippets, but I don't know what's

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-18 Thread Valentin Villenave
as far as you're dealing with "serious" people in a "serious" world. If some geeks are here "for fun", all you can do is to make it cool: if they have fun at fixing bugs or implementing features (or doing webdesign or drawing comics or whatever they like), then y

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-17 Thread Carl Sorensen
Kieren MacMillan sympatico.ca> writes: > > Hi Graham, > > I agree with *most* of your post here… except > > > I honestly think that stopping the doc team from disintegrating > > is more important than nice new features like that. > > Depending on the feature, this can be *far* more important

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:34:20 -0400 Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Graham, > > I agree with *most* of your post here___ except > > > I honestly think that stopping the doc team from disintegrating > > is more important than nice new features like that. > > Depending on the feat

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-17 Thread David Fedoruk
Please be mindful that we are not all located in the same time zone. I read my mail 8 - 10 hours after people in Europe do. I wake up to read whole threads which have sprung up and been answered and re-answered by the time I wake up in the morning. Its sometimes a but frustrating to be that time-la

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, I agree with *most* of your post here… except I honestly think that stopping the doc team from disintegrating is more important than nice new features like that. Depending on the feature, this can be *far* more important than having one person stay with the doc team. If you're co

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
ons. I estimate that about 1 in 20 people asking a question on -user will start answering questions for other people. And approximately 1 in 10 of *those* people will start contributing patches (either docs or bugfixes). My hope is that LSR will reduce the latter number to 1 in 5 or so. I was reall

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-16 Thread John Mandereau
2008/8/13 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >It's a waste because, 7 days from now, there will be precisely > half a dozen people who are updating the documentation. There's > at least 50 people who can answer simple questions here. To be > efficient, those six people should spend their time u

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/8/14 Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think that's almost it, but it should be Fozzy Force after Fozzy Bear. Fuzzy Force makes a nice sequel to Grumpy Graham... next time we'll have to find something that begins with an E :-) Cheers, Valentin ___

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-14 Thread Patrick Horgan
Graham Percival wrote: [1] Personally, I'd go for the "Fuzziness Force", devoted to making confused people feel warm and fuzzy. But I suspect that other people aren't as fond of fuzzy things as I am... and besides, people would start calling you "the FF" or "FFers", and this whole thing started

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:28 AM We now have a good documentation team for lilypond, and a good number of them are gradually moving into bugfixing and programming. The thing we lack -- one of the last "unhealthy" portions of the lilypond project -- is an "email support

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-13 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm busy and pissed off at the amount of time I've spent on > lilypond. Approximately three thousand hours now... and I stopped > composing and arranging *FOUR YEARS* ago. > > What does three thousand hours mean? Well,

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:08:48 -0700 Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't really know who the seven are, but > there are more than seven people that regularly answer questions. The > ones I see the most are you, Trevor, Valentin, Robin, Carl, the other > Patrick, Han-Wen, Neil, Peter,

Re: it's all up to you users

2008-08-13 Thread Patrick Horgan
Graham Percival wrote: ...elisions galore... As I said, I've tried polite recruitment. Take a look at the email archives; probably about six, twelve, and eighteen months ago. It seems to have worked for doc writers, but it hasn't worked for finding (and keeping) -user support people

Re: it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-13 Thread Nicholas Wastell
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:07:14 -0700 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm busy and pissed off at the amount of time I've spent on > lilypond. Approximately three thousand hours now... and I stopped > composing and arranging *FOUR YEARS* ago. Did someone hold a gun to your head? If you

it's all up to you users (was: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU)

2008-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
My goodness, how time flies. Is it really time for our yearly "we want more for nothing" argument? On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:18:36 + David Bobroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nicholas Wastell wrote: > > Don't patronise me, don't make excuses for Graham and I stand by > > what I wrote. I'm su