Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-17 Thread Colin Hall
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:50:34PM +0200, james wrote: > In the following: > \version "2.14.2" > \score { >\relative c' { > \time 2/4 > \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) > \clef treble > c8 a c d > %%% Commenting out the following line

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara writes: >> I would find it a perfectly acceptable solution to have key signatures be >> consistent for all octaves, regardless with display method is chosen >> [...] make my life a lot easier. > > The simple forms \set Staff.keySignature =#`(2 . ,FLAT) \key d\minor > apply to all

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-16 Thread Keith OHara
Mats Bengtsson ee.kth.se> writes: > needed the feature while trying to typeset some of the Mystery sonatas > by Biber, which are written in scordatura, i.e. a violin with a > non-standard tuning. In these pieces, the notation reflects how you > should press the fingers, not what it should soun

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Mats Bengtsson writes: > >> I needed the feature while trying to typeset some of the Mystery >> sonatas by Biber, which are written in scordatura, i.e. a violin with >> a non-standard tuning. In these pieces, the notation reflects how you >> should press the fingers, not

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread David Kastrup
Mats Bengtsson writes: > On 08/15/2012 04:14 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: >>> Lilypond docs do not seem to explain any way to print the key signature >>> >>>accidentals on different lines than standard, except for this >>> >>> crazy method >>> >>>where the alterations count for just o

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread Bockett Hunter
For a two flat key, some early music facsimile has two Bb's in the key signature, one for each octave. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > On 08/15/2012 04:14 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: > >> Lilypond docs do not seem to explain any way to print the key signat

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 08/15/2012 04:14 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Lilypond docs do not seem to explain any way to print the key signature >>>accidentals on different lines than standard, except for this crazy method >>>where the alterations count for just one octave. >>> >>> >>>There was no way to al

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2012-08-14 23:24, David Rogers wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:58:57 +0200 james wrote: Honestly, what's most important to me is where the sharps/flats in the key signature are placed. Looking at the PDF example, I can't understand which line is supposed to be the good one. They both look w

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread David Kastrup
james writes: > On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:54 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Keith OHara writes: >> >>> David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: >>> That image does not make sense to me at all. Notes appear in key signature (though in a different octave) and still carry an accidental. How d

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread james
On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:18 PM, james wrote: > > On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:54 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Keith OHara writes: >> >>> David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: >>> That image does not make sense to me at all. Notes appear in key signature (though in a different octave) and still

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-15 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara writes: > David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > >> That image does not make sense to me at all. Notes appear in key >> signature (though in a different octave) and still carry an accidental. >> How do you distinguish a normal key signature (valid across all octaves) >> from a restrict

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread Keith OHara
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > That image does not make sense to me at all. Notes appear in key > signature (though in a different octave) and still carry an accidental. > How do you distinguish a normal key signature (valid across all octaves) > from a restricted-octave one (valid only in

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread David Kastrup
james writes: > Honestly, what's most important to me is where the sharps/flats in the > key signature are placed. I attach the image of what I expect: That image does not make sense to me at all. Notes appear in key signature (though in a different octave) and still carry an accidental. How do

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread David Kastrup
David Rogers writes: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:47:52 +0200 > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > >> Some old handwritings have e.g. the f sharp in the keysignature not >> at the top line, but between the lowest and second-lowest line. If >> you want to create an authentic reprint of the autograph, you mi

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread David Rogers
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:47:52 +0200 Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > Some old handwritings have e.g. the f sharp in the keysignature not > at the top line, but between the lowest and second-lowest line. If > you want to create an authentic reprint of the autograph, you might > also want to preserve the

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread David Rogers
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:58:57 +0200 james wrote: > Honestly, what's most important to me is where the sharps/flats in > the key signature are placed. Looking at the PDF example, I can't understand which line is supposed to be the good one. They both look wrong to me. When I read music, I want th

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread james
On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:00 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > james writes: > > So I fail to make _any_ sense of your example. If I had to guess, I'd > say the octave specifications are there for overriding the default > octaves chosen by the key signature engraver, but without being fixed to > a certai

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread Keith OHara
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > james googlemail.com> writes: > > > \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) > > Ok, consider me annoyed now. Yes, we have some snippets documenting > this sort of thing, but what is it even supposed to mean? I suspect people r

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-14 Thread David Kastrup
james writes: > In the following: > \version "2.14.2" > \score { >\relative c' { > \time 2/4 > \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) > \clef treble > c8 a c d > %%% Commenting out the following line solves the problem %%% > \clef bas

Re: clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-13 Thread David Kastrup
james writes: > In the following: > \version "2.14.2" > \score { >\relative c' { > \time 2/4 > \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) > \clef treble > c8 a c d > %%% Commenting out the following line solves the problem %%% > \clef bas

clef change confuses manual key signature

2012-08-13 Thread james
In the following: \version "2.14.2" \score { \relative c' { \time 2/4 \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) \clef treble c8 a c d %%% Commenting out the following line solves the problem %%% \clef bass e fis d c } \layout {}