Hi Matthew,
Too many straw men, ad absurdums, and other fallacies here.
I’m officially out of the conversation.
As indicated before, “Patches are always welcome."
Regards,
Kieren.
On Dec 17, 2015, at 11:03 PM, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
>> I
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi all,
>
>> I am starting to think there are two general classes of musicians,
>> the functionalists, and the aestheticists.
>> […] I suspect these groupings may be mutually exclusive!
>
> I think a binary view like that is limiting, and in general unhelpful.
>
> I, fo
Tim Reeves writes:
>>"LilyPond's focus is creating good, readable scores. That's what
> typography is about. Not creating visual artworks. The boundary
> conditions for bulk manufacturing work (like engraving once was) are not
> that dissimilar: skilled and effective workers are not the same a
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca writes:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
>> I just read through the Essay in its entirety, and found nothing which
>> suggests to me that Lilypond ever sacrifices clarity or functionality
>> for "visual artistry”.
>
> That is not what I said.
>
> A focus on c
Hi Matthew,
http://lilypond.org/background.html states, as the very first line summarising
the Essay:
We have an extensive essay describing computational aesthetics: the art of
creating beauty with a computer.
Newcomers could therefore be forgiven for getting the impression that the
foremost e
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> I just read through the Essay in its entirety, and found nothing which
> suggests to me that Lilypond ever sacrifices clarity or functionality
> for "visual artistry”.
That is not what I said.
A focus on creating beautiful output does not imply "sacr
Hi Simon,
> Comic Sans being a particularly offputting example, amongst many nice and
> better fonts.
Which is precisely why I chose it. =)
Best,
Kieren.
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Hi David,
> curved beams are an area where there's a lot to lose and little to gain.
It would be nearly impossible to put the point more succinctly than that.
Thanks,
Kieren.
Kieren MacMillan, composer
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Hi Matthew,
> Some material on the LilyPond Web site - in particular, the "Essay" -
> gives the impression that it *is* about creating visual artworks.
I just read through the Essay in its entirety, and found nothing which suggests
to me that Lilypond ever sacrifices clarity or functionality for
Hi all,
> I am starting to think there are two general classes of musicians, the
> functionalists, and the aestheticists.
> […] I suspect these groupings may be mutually exclusive!
I think a binary view like that is limiting, and in general unhelpful.
I, for one, take great care to make sure th
>"LilyPond's focus is creating good, readable scores. That's what
typography is about. Not creating visual artworks. The boundary
conditions for bulk manufacturing work (like engraving once was) are not
that dissimilar: skilled and effective workers are not the same as
artists. Typography is ab
I am starting to think there are two general classes of musicians, the
functionalists, and the aestheticists. For the first group, all the matters is
the sound output, and the notated input should be considered purely a means to
that end, conveyed with the most efficiency, and essentially irrele
Am 18.12.2015 um 00:57 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
> Urs and Andrew (and others),
>
>>> Some contemporary curves:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666598190018722&l=cec5b5f1f5
>> And - for reference - the example from which I started this thread:
>> http://notengrafik.com/pdf/examples/Eo
Most professional typographers regard their work as a very refined art, and
would be disappointed to be regarded as mere drudges producing glyphs that are
just ‘legible’. Typography and fine printing and fine editions are a deeply
appreciated art forms that have centuries of tradition. And think
Urs and Andrew (and others),
>> Some contemporary curves:
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666598190018722&l=cec5b5f1f5
> And - for reference - the example from which I started this thread:
> http://notengrafik.com/pdf/examples/Eoetvoes.pdf
Okay… but what do they mean, and why is their
Am 18.12.2015 um 00:46 schrieb Andrew Bernard:
> Some contemporary curves:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666598190018722&l=cec5b5f1f5
>
>
> Andrew
And - for reference - the example from which I started this thread:
http://notengrafik.com/pdf/examples/Eoetvoes.pdf
Urs
>
>
>
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Some contemporary curves:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666598190018722&l=cec5b5f1f5
Andrew
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015, David Kastrup wrote:
> LilyPond's focus is creating good, readable scores. That's what
> typography is about. Not creating visual artworks. The boundary
Some material on the LilyPond Web site - in particular, the "Essay" -
gives the impression that it *is* about creating vi
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi Andrew,
>
>> Judging by the sheer number of these fonts and the number of
>> professional type designers who devote sincere effort to making this
>> style, there is a desire in people to overcome the stiff rigidity of
>> the typical printed letterform.
>
> The overus
On 17.12.2015 03:53, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Andrew,
Judging by the sheer number of these fonts and the number of professional type
designers who devote sincere effort to making this style, there is a desire in
people to overcome the stiff rigidity of the typical printed letterform.
The o
Hi Andrew,
> Judging by the sheer number of these fonts and the number of professional
> type designers who devote sincere effort to making this style, there is a
> desire in people to overcome the stiff rigidity of the typical printed
> letterform.
The overuse of Comic Sans doesn’t make it an
Hi David,
There is an extensive tradition in 18c of curved beams engraved on copper, and
we are here talking about engraving, not just printing. Sharon posted some
lovely images. So engravers of the period delighted in it – and were no doubt
trying to look like handwriting, not printing – the o
ut
personally I think it's just gorgeous.
Sharon Rosner
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Urs Liska writes:
>> I'm sorry, I can't answer your question, but I am curious --
>> what is the purpose of the curved beam?
I must say, I would like to know that too.
But as it is from an engraving example of a score by Peter Eötvös I
assume it *does* have a purpose.
I suppose
Hi all,
> If printed beams were supposed to be curved,
> they would have been easy to engrave into plates […]
> But it does not appear like that was desired.
Indeed. I'd guess that straight beams were quickly determined to be superior to
curved beams for at least two reasons:
(a) straight beams
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Hi Urs,
>
> Imagine, if we had this, the next step would be lovely curving beams
> like Bach!
Printing and handwriting are different things with different traditions,
focus, and typography. If printed beams were supposed to be curved,
they would have been easy to engrav
Hi Urs,
Imagine, if we had this, the next step would be lovely curving beams like Bach!
Andrew
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Am 16.12.2015 um 03:20 schrieb Evans Winner:
> Urs Liska writes:
>
> Just out of curiosity: Would LilyPond be able to
> produce rounded beams like in the attachment without
> too much hassles?
>
> I'm sorry, I can't answer your question, but I am c
Urs Liska writes:
Just out of curiosity: Would LilyPond be able to
produce rounded beams like in the attachment without
too much hassles?
I'm sorry, I can't answer your question, but I am curious --
what is the purpose of the c
Just out of curiosity: Would LilyPond be able to produce rounded beams
like in the attachment without too much hassles?
Please note: This isn't anything I need, so please don't spend any time
thinking you *help* me. Of course if someone takes the challenge there
might be a use for i
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