Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 06:44:58PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt" > > To: > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. > > > >>Graham Percival wrote

Re: Optimising output for screen

2010-09-24 Thread Tim Reeves
> Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:31:09 +0100 > From: "Phil Holmes" > Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. > To: "Graham Percival" > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Message-ID: <9fadf3787e2141f5b5d436db4e695...@advent> > Content-Ty

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. Graham Percival wrote PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007. Graham, Thanks for the pointer..had a chuckl

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Burfitt
Graham Percival wrote PS if you want a hint, one of those discussions was in 2007. Graham, Thanks for the pointer..had a chuckle with the continued discussion 2 years later. Pity the solution was never accepted/implemented, probably not a very important issue then, but I believe it will b

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread David Kastrup
Kaz Kylheku writes: > For reference, I have here Adobe Reader 9.3.3 and Evince 2.30.3. > > I do see the bar lines over-extending past the staff lines. > This must be a Lilypond bug. Not at all. > If that were a scaling artifact, it would be impossible to > draw the letter T without the stem cro

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: "Phil Burfitt" ; "Trevor Daniels" ; Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Phil Holmes w

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:49:15 +0100, "Phil Burfitt" wrote: > Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and taken > screen snapshots at 96dpi on Vista of each at 100% scaling (PNG > attachment). Problems occur in all of them as to be expected as > Lilyponds output is optimised for

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-09-24 17:42, Phil Holmes wrote: It's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody) that LilyPond is optimised neither for screen or print - it outputs as PDF, and so the quality of the image seen depends on the quality of the program that interprets the PDF. LilyPond is essentially

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Burfitt wrote Friday, September 24, 2010 3:49 PM Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and taken screen snapshots at 96dpi on Vista of each at 100% scaling (PNG attachment). Problems occur in all of them as to be expected as Lilyponds output is optimised for printe

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > So I would conclude - if you need excellent screen display, you'll either > need a carefully written PDF viewer, or a screen with a resolution of around > 1000 dpi. If anybody is seriously interested in this issue, then why not look at the mai

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt" To: "Trevor Daniels" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. Trevor, I've downloaded a number of PDF viewers for Windows and taken screen snapshots at 96dpi on Vist

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Burfitt
Doh! Adobe doesn't seem to anti-alias raster images... Should be"Adobe doesn't seem to anti-alias VECTOR images Phil. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-24 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Trevor Daniels" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Phil Burfitt" ; "Kaz Kylheku" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. Phil Holmes wote Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:37

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Nick Payne wrote Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:42 PM Screen dump of some 2.13.34 output. PDF open at 200% in Adobe Reader 9.3.4 on Ubuntu 10.04. Check the barlines spanning the staffgroups. Four of the five barline terminations go past the top or bottom line of the stave. Also look at the

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wote Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:37 PM I have noticed the way Adobe Reader renders lines, etc., somewhat variably, Phil, do you see this variability in Adobe Reader if you select "Use system setting" for the Resolution and view at exactly 100%? Then try 99% or 101%, or any ot

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Payne
On 24/09/10 03:16, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:59:32 +0100, "Phil Burfitt" wrote: Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful scores, but the pdf's quality on screen are poor compared to the other major notation software. Hard to believe. Please document your claim with some cropped scr

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Payne
On 24/09/10 03:16, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:59:32 +0100, "Phil Burfitt" wrote: Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful scores, but the pdf's quality on screen are poor compared to the other major notation software. Hard to believe. Please document your claim with some cropped scr

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Kaz Kylheku" To: "Phil Burfitt" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Optimising output for screen. On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:59:32 +0100, "Phil Burfitt" wrote: Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful sc

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 05:59:32PM +0100, Phil Burfitt wrote: > Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful scores, but the pdf's quality on > screen are poor compared to the other major notation software. I'm > using Adobe Reader 8 on Vista at 96dpi resolution and bar lines have > varying thickness and oft

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:59:32 +0100, "Phil Burfitt" wrote: > Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful scores, but the pdf's quality on > screen are poor compared to the other major notation software. Hard to believe. Please document your claim with some cropped screenshots.

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread James Lowe
Hello (adding this reply to me only back into the user-thread) On 23/09/2010 16:44, Alonso Silva wrote: > Kindle and Ipad didn't have any problem rendering pdfs created with > Lilypond or another scorewriter (converted to pdf). The only scores who > really looks bad in some e readers (kindle) are

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Phil Burfitt
From: "James" I have a Kindle 3.x and it renders the PDFs perfectly. Hi James, Good to hear =). With the Kindle at 197dpi and the Kindle DX at 150dpi I imagine it would look a lot better than the average computer screen at 96dpi or 72dpi. Lilypond _prints_ really beautiful scores, but t

Re: Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread James
Hello, On 23/09/2010 15:36, Phil Burfitt wrote: With the number of e-readers (Sony, Kindle, Nook, etc), tablets (iPad, Android, iTablet, etc) and dedicated sheet music readers and software (MusicPad, MusicReader) on the rise and set to explode in numbers and sizes/formats in the coming years, h

Optimising output for screen.

2010-09-23 Thread Phil Burfitt
With the number of e-readers (Sony, Kindle, Nook, etc), tablets (iPad, Android, iTablet, etc) and dedicated sheet music readers and software (MusicPad, MusicReader) on the rise and set to explode in numbers and sizes/formats in the coming years, have the lilypond development team any thoughts