2013/8/7 David Rogers :
> I just printed it and compared them side-by-side at the
> piano. Unfortunately I have to guess a little bit about absolute sizes,
> because I don't have any paper in the house except "Letter" size. With
> all due respect for Kieren's skill and work, which I cannot hope eve
Hi David,
> I just printed it and compared them side-by-side at the piano.
Thank you so much for the effort here — extremely helpful!!!
> - The whole notation font needs to be replaced with a
> Henle-look-alike. At the very least, LP's notehead size is much too
> small for Henle; but everythin
Hi David,
> if I wanted to make my score look "Henle", I would think at
> least some of those things would have to be first on the list.
As I said a few posts ago (or maybe even in the other thread), I intend to
spend at least 75% of my time on making the Lilypond default output look as
beautif
Urs Liska writes:
> Am 06.08.2013 19:46, schrieb David Rogers:
>> Some very significant reasons IMO that the old Henle score looks
>> "Henle":
>>
>> - the notehead shapes
>>
>> - the stem thickness (to my eyes, thinner relative to noteheads than LP)
>>
>> - the notehead size relative to staff si
Am 06.08.2013 19:46, schrieb David Rogers:
David Kastrup writes:
Kieren MacMillan writes:
Hi Urs (et al.),
I'm probably biased but I find the appearance of the 'old' score
infinitely superior.
Immediately, one notices [in the newer version] what a poor choice it
is to have the triplet n
David Kastrup writes:
> Kieren MacMillan writes:
>
>> Hi Urs (et al.),
>>
>>> I'm probably biased but I find the appearance of the 'old' score
>> infinitely superior.
>>
>> Immediately, one notices [in the newer version] what a poor choice it
>> is to have the triplet number (over the middle of
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi Urs (et al.),
>
>> I'm probably biased but I find the appearance of the 'old' score
> infinitely superior.
>
> Immediately, one notices [in the newer version] what a poor choice it
> is to have the triplet number (over the middle of the triplet) above,
> as it is eas
Am 06.08.2013 01:26, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs (et al.),
I'm probably biased but I find the appearance of the 'old' score infinitely
superior.
Immediately, one notices [in the newer version] what a poor choice it is to
have the triplet number (over the middle of the triplet) above, as
Hi Urs (et al.),
> I'm probably biased but I find the appearance of the 'old' score infinitely
> superior.
Immediately, one notices [in the newer version] what a poor choice it is to
have the triplet number (over the middle of the triplet) above, as it is easily
confused with the fingering num
Am 05.08.2013 21:27, schrieb David Kastrup:
Kieren MacMillan writes:
Hello all,
I have found some images of Henle's Moonlight Sonata.
Old edition: http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/img/P/412339_1.jpg
And the new one (from 2013):
http://www.di-arezzo.com/multimedia/images/henle/part/hn1062.jpg
S
David Kastrup writes:
> Kieren MacMillan writes:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>> I have found some images of Henle's Moonlight Sonata.
>>> Old edition: http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/img/P/412339_1.jpg
>>> And the new one (from 2013):
>>> http://www.di-arezzo.com/multimedia/images/henle/part/hn1062.jpg
>
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hello all,
>
>> I have found some images of Henle's Moonlight Sonata.
>> Old edition: http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/img/P/412339_1.jpg
>> And the new one (from 2013):
>> http://www.di-arezzo.com/multimedia/images/henle/part/hn1062.jpg
>> Same publishing house, but so m
Hello all,
> I have found some images of Henle's Moonlight Sonata.
> Old edition: http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/img/P/412339_1.jpg
> And the new one (from 2013):
> http://www.di-arezzo.com/multimedia/images/henle/part/hn1062.jpg
> Same publishing house, but so many differences :)
Is there a pre
I have found some images of Henle's Moonlight Sonata.
Old edition: http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/img/P/412339_1.jpg
And the new one (from 2013): http://www.di-arezzo.com/multimedia/images/henle/part/hn1062.jpg
Same publishing house, but so many differences :)
Dnia 3-08-2013 o godz. 13:5
My copy from 1975/76 _does_ have both the number and the ovals.
Urs
Karol Majewski schrieb:
>Am 16.07.2013 20:23, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
>
>Hello all, I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) — see
>attached. Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on
>the Lil
Am 16.07.2013 20:23, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hello all,
I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) — see attached.
Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on the Lilyblog.
I think the last thing I need is an "oval BarNumber enclosure" (see photo).
Can anyone h
Hi Kieren,
unfortunately I don't understand everything completely:
Am 29.07.2013 16:07, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs,
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in there,
and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
This is my vision.
1. Each of the
Urs Liska wrote:
"Urtext" is a fiction anyway in 95% of the cases. What would you
consider "Urtext" when you have a manuscript, a fair copy, an original
edition controlled by the composer, a personal copy of the OE with
corrections, and another, later manuscript with other readings than the
OE or
Am 29.07.2013 20:53, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs,
What exactly do you mean by 'manuscript' and 'editorials'?
'Manuscript' is what Beethoven himself wrote, or (by huge consensus of multiple
editors across multiple engraving houses) is generally understood to have meant.
'Editorials' is wh
Am 29.07.2013 22:20, schrieb PMA:
Urs Liska wrote:
Am 29.07.2013 20:04, schrieb PMA:
Urs Liska wrote:
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in
there, and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
It seems to me that the only fingerings
properly belonging
Urs Liska wrote:
Am 29.07.2013 20:04, schrieb PMA:
Urs Liska wrote:
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in
there, and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
It seems to me that the only fingerings
properly belonging in an Urtext ed
are those of the c
Am 29.07.2013 20:04, schrieb PMA:
Urs Liska wrote:
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in
there, and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
It seems to me that the only fingerings
properly belonging in an Urtext edition
are those of the composer. If
Hi Urs,
> What exactly do you mean by 'manuscript' and 'editorials'?
'Manuscript' is what Beethoven himself wrote, or (by huge consensus of multiple
editors across multiple engraving houses) is generally understood to have meant.
'Editorials' is what some specific editor (e.g., the Henle editor)
Hi Kieren,
unfortunately I don't understand everything completely:
Am 29.07.2013 16:07, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs,
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in there,
and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
This is my vision.
1. Each of the
Hi Peter,
> It seems to me that the only fingerings properly belonging in an Urtext
> edition
> are those of the composer. If he / she supplied none, then _none_.
Agreed.
The Henle Preface states that Beethoven's fingering is indicated in italics — I
can (and will) include those in the Beethov
Urs Liska wrote:
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in there,
and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
It seems to me that the only fingerings
properly belonging in an Urtext edition
are those of the composer. If he / she
supplied none, then _none
Hi Urs,
> No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in there,
> and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
This is my vision.
1. Each of the following hierarchically inherits from (i.e., includes) the one
above:
Lilypond.ily
Score.ily
PianoSta
Hi Urs,
Amazing — thanks for this.
Once I've recompressed from my (incredible) week in the wilderness, I'll give
these some serious consideration and adapt/enhance the stylesheet appropriately.
Thanks!
Kieren.
On 2013-Jul-23, at 04:59, Urs Liska wrote:
> Am 16.07.2013 20:23, schrieb Kieren Ma
No, these don't, but I think that fingerings in itself _do_ belong in there,
and if the original ones from Henle are copyrighted ...
Kieren MacMillan schrieb:
>Hi Urs (et al.),
>
>> But I think fingerings would be good to have for this kind of
>benchmark.
>> So Kieren, you wrote that this is
Hi Urs (et al.),
> But I think fingerings would be good to have for this kind of benchmark.
> So Kieren, you wrote that this is 'the' Beethoven sonata you actually played,
> so do you have some fingerings around to insert?
I have a huge number of "editorial markings", mostly entered by my teache
Am 23.07.2013 11:15, schrieb David Kastrup:
Urs Liska writes:
now I've finally laid hand on my copy of Henle's Beethoven Sonatas
(Just to be sure: it's a two volume edition, number 32, (c) 1952/80,
the preface is signed with 'Winter 1975/76')
And finally: Shouldn't you consider to include the
Urs Liska writes:
> now I've finally laid hand on my copy of Henle's Beethoven Sonatas
> (Just to be sure: it's a two volume edition, number 32, (c) 1952/80,
> the preface is signed with 'Winter 1975/76')
> And finally: Shouldn't you consider to include the fingerings too?
Those would very like
Am 16.07.2013 20:23, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hello all,
I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) --- see attached.
Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on the Lilyblog.
I think the last thing I need is an "oval BarNumber enclosure" (see photo).
Can anyone help
2013/7/17 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley writes:
>
>> below my own approach.
>> I defined two formatters for BarNumber,
>> 1) using my version of \ellipse (though, it's nearly the same as David's).
>> 2) using \oval
>
> So we are missing markup commands. I am not really convinced that
> factorin
Thomas Morley writes:
> below my own approach.
> I defined two formatters for BarNumber,
> 1) using my version of \ellipse (though, it's nearly the same as David's).
> 2) using \oval
So we are missing markup commands. I am not really convinced that
factoring line-thickness leads to desirable re
Hi Kieren,
2013/7/16 Kieren MacMillan :
> Hello all,
>
> I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) — see attached.
> Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on the Lilyblog.
Excellent! I'm looking forward to it!
Janek
___
Hi everyone,
Thanks to David K and Harm (whose functions and suggestions I mashed up to make
the oval bar number formatter), we have a winner!
Well, at least for now… further tweaks coming once I've typeset the rest of the
movement. Then I'll do a side-by-side comparison of the printed version
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> What's the easy way of saying "center the number in a box at least
> 'this big', but use the number's real extent if it's bigger than
> that"?
\hcenter-in does that.
#(define-markup-command (ellipse layout props text) (markup?)
#:properties ((thickness 0.2) (box-pad
2013/7/16 Kieren MacMillan :
> Hi David,
>
>> Try starting from
>
> Thanks — that's very helpful!
>
> Here's what I have from there:
>
> \version "2.17"
>
> #(define-markup-command (ellipse layout props text) (markup?)
> #:properties ((thickness 0.2) (x-padding 0.1) (y-padding 0.75))
> (ellipse-
Hi David,
> Try starting from
Thanks — that's very helpful!
Here's what I have from there:
\version "2.17"
#(define-markup-command (ellipse layout props text) (markup?)
#:properties ((thickness 0.2) (x-padding 0.1) (y-padding 0.75))
(ellipse-stencil (interpret-markup layout props text)
t
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) — see attached.
> Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on the Lilyblog.
>
> I think the last thing I need is an "oval BarNumber enclosure" (see photo).
> Can anyone help with that?
Hello all,
I'm getting close with my Henle piano stylesheet(s) — see attached.
Once this is ready, I'm going to document it and put it up on the Lilyblog.
I think the last thing I need is an "oval BarNumber enclosure" (see photo).
Can anyone help with that?
Thanks,
Kieren.
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