Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-10 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Peterson writes: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > > Carl Peterson writes: > > > I'm not an expert on GhostScript, but in practice it is nearly > always > > best to rasterize vector graphics at the intended output > resolution. > >

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-10 Thread Carl Peterson
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Peterson writes: > > > I'm not an expert on GhostScript, but in practice it is nearly always > > best to rasterize vector graphics at the intended output resolution. > > Except when it isn't. What makes you think that the PDF viewers a

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Urs Liska
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:50:59 +0100 "Phil Holmes" wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Urs Liska" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius > > > > Am 09

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Peterson writes: > I'm not an expert on GhostScript, but in practice it is nearly always > best to rasterize vector graphics at the intended output resolution. Except when it isn't. What makes you think that the PDF viewers are doing anything but rasterizing vector graphics at the intended

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.04.2013 18:26, schrieb Urs Liska: I never used Sibelius, and the last version of Finale I actually worked with was 2001. Therefore I'd like to ask here before writing something inappropriately negative about them ;-) Is it possible to output cropped output in .png or .pdf format from th

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Carl Peterson
I'm not an expert on GhostScript, but in practice it is nearly always best to rasterize vector graphics at the intended output resolution. The issue is how that graphic is downsampled. For example, if I rasterize a two-pixel wide black vertical line down to half the resolution, depending on where t

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> As far as what can be controlled by Lilypond and it's developers, > making sure PNG files are generated well *is* something that should > be addressed, since that is completely within Lilypond's control. Does GhostScript's PNG backend produces satisfying results? Otherwise, what about creating

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 04/09/2013 08:47 PM, Alexander Kobel wrote: [...] Besides, rectangles bound /regions,/ and I see a valid point in not willfully changing regions or areas. For lines, it's slightly more likely that the designer intended the object to be a line than for rectangles. [...] By the way: I stumble

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Kobel writes: > On 04/09/2013 08:26 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> 2013/4/9 Werner LEMBERG: >>> It's a very hard problem and probably not solvable. >>> >>> Ah, I misread, sorry. Yes, it might be worth to test with line >>> strokes. >> >> I find it most interesting that apparently the

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 04/09/2013 08:26 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/4/9 Werner LEMBERG: It's a very hard problem and probably not solvable. Ah, I misread, sorry. Yes, it might be worth to test with line strokes. I find it most interesting that apparently there is some way to solve this problem. If line st

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Carl Peterson
The problem is that how a Lily output is rendered by a PDF reader is not within the realm of control for Lilypond. The fact is that some PDF features are handled differently by different viewers, if they are handled at all. For example, in my graphic design work, I learned that transparency is a bi

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/9 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> 2013/4/9 David Kastrup : >>> Urs Liska writes: >>> It seems this is Sibelius 7's default. See attached PNG. >>> >>> Huh? The perfectly rendered stafflines make it clear that this is not a >>> scanned image. But clef, noteheads and t

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> It's a very hard problem and probably not solvable. Ah, I misread, sorry. Yes, it might be worth to test with line strokes. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Have you seen > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2658 ? *That's* > appalling - and it's how LilyPond output is rendered :( :( :( (image > attached) It's sad that there are no comments on this issue after 9 > months :( It's a very hard problem and probably not solvable. Essen

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2013/4/9 David Kastrup : >> Urs Liska writes: >> >>> It seems this is Sibelius 7's default. See attached PNG. >> >> Huh? The perfectly rendered stafflines make it clear that this is not a >> scanned image. But clef, noteheads and text are rendered _appallingly_ >> a

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/9 David Kastrup : > Urs Liska writes: > >> It seems this is Sibelius 7's default. See attached PNG. > > Huh? The perfectly rendered stafflines make it clear that this is not a > scanned image. But clef, noteheads and text are rendered _appallingly_ > awful, like it would be dithering

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > It seems this is Sibelius 7's default. See attached PNG. Huh? The perfectly rendered stafflines make it clear that this is not a scanned image. But clef, noteheads and text are rendered _appallingly_ awful, like it would be dithering the stroke widths. Hopefully not t

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Urs Liska
Thanks for that clarification. So this isn't a 'selling point' for LilyPond anymore ... Urs Am 09.04.2013 18:59, schrieb Phil Holmes: - Original Message - From: "Urs Liska" To: "Lilypond-User" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:26 PM Subject: Cropped

Re: Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 04/09/2013 06:26 PM, Urs Liska wrote: > When I used Finale one had to draw a rectangle with the mouse that then was > exported. > Needless to say that this is a poor way to consistently line up music > fragments > in a text document. I doubt this is the way a hardcore professional engraving pe

Cropped output (à la -dpreview) possible in Finale and Sibelius

2013-04-09 Thread Urs Liska
I never used Sibelius, and the last version of Finale I actually worked with was 2001. Therefore I'd like to ask here before writing something inappropriately negative about them ;-) Is it possible to output cropped output in .png or .pdf format from them, just like -dpreview or lilypond-book