On 1 March 2013 17:08, Urs Liska wrote:
>> How might one fit
>> the realist in here (without loss of pithitude)?
>
> He accepts that he can't do anything about it.
Oh Lord, give me the courage to change the things I can change,
the patience to accept the things I cannot change
and the wisdom to k
PMA wrote:
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Peter,
An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
Yes! Got me wondering -- How might one fit
the realist in here (without loss of pithitude)?
I thought the same thing… What I came up with is t
Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Peter,
An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
Yes! Got me wondering -- How might one fit
the realist in here (without loss of pithitude)?
I thought the same thing… What I came up with is this:
An
Am 01.03.2013 17:05, schrieb PMA:
bobr...@centrum.is wrote:
An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
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Hi Peter,
>>> An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
>>> worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
>
> Yes! Got me wondering -- How might one fit
> the realist in here (without loss of pithitude)?
I thought the same thing… What I came up with is this:
An optimist believ
bobr...@centrum.is wrote:
An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
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David Kastrup
NICE!
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On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:47 AM, James Harkins wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness freedbms.net> writes:
>
>> David, thank you so, so much!
>
> Oh, I thought enough bytes had been spilt on this subject already.
>
> IMO, this entire discussion is the result of misreading François's comment.
> "It's working wel
>An optimist believes that we are living in the best of all conceivable
>worlds. A pessimist _knows_ it.
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Urs Liska writes:
>
>>> I'm probably pissed a lot more than she was that this was likely a
>>> smart choice for her to make.
>>>
>> That would be a wonderful story if it wasn't so sad :-(
>
> The best, most wonderful stories, are all sad. It's just that
> Hollywood wi
Urs Liska writes:
>> I'm probably pissed a lot more than she was that this was likely a smart
>> choice for her to make.
>>
> That would be a wonderful story if it wasn't so sad :-(
The best, most wonderful stories, are all sad. It's just that Hollywood
will find a way to pervert most beautiful
Am 01.03.2013 12:27, schrieb David Kastrup:
An ex of mine studied Romance Language and Literature with a minor in
...
I'm probably pissed a lot more than she was that this was likely a smart
choice for her to make.
That would be a wonderful story if it wasn't so sad :-(
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> David Kastrup writes:
>
>> Starting scene of Macbeth. But at any rate, I perceive a shift in
>> educational systems to award degrees that have at best a weak
>> correlation with being competent in the certified field of expertise.
>> There is much stronger pressure on
Zenaan Harkness freedbms.net> writes:
> David, thank you so, so much!
Oh, I thought enough bytes had been spilt on this subject already.
IMO, this entire discussion is the result of misreading François's comment.
"It's working well for me in Windows" somehow turned into "advocacy," but... to
David Kastrup writes:
> Starting scene of Macbeth. But at any rate, I perceive a shift in
> educational systems to award degrees that have at best a weak
> correlation with being competent in the certified field of expertise.
> There is much stronger pressure on teachers and professors to have
>
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> On 2/27/13, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Kieren MacMillan writes:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
Then it would seem that many of us have forgotten
what brought LilyPond to them in the first place.
>>>
>>> No — some of us just have a sense of balance and tolerance.
>>
>> Sounds
On 2/26/13, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> james writes:
>
>>> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
>>> of non-free operating systems?
>>
>> Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating
>> systems? Or ask questions, comments about non-free oper
On 2/27/13, David Kastrup wrote:
> Kieren MacMillan writes:
>
>> David,
>>
>>> Then it would seem that many of us have forgotten
>>> what brought LilyPond to them in the first place.
>>
>> No — some of us just have a sense of balance and tolerance.
>
> Sounds to me like the "fair is foul and foul
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
>> No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
>> [a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic.
[..]
> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
> of non-free operating systems?
I have read th
Kieren MacMillan writes:
>> I suggest rereading the thread in context, taking note about who
>> wrote what, and then checking your summary to be accurate, fair and
>> matched in style to all those contributing to the thread that have
>> ventured an opinion differing from yours.
>
> Done. And it d
> I suggest rereading the thread in context, taking note about who wrote
> what, and then checking your summary to be accurate, fair and matched in
> style to all those contributing to the thread that have ventured an
> opinion differing from yours.
Done. And it didn't change my opinion that some
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> David,
>
>> "tolerant" is not the same as "stanceless".
>
> Agreed. And "taking a stance" is not the same as "driving potential
> users away with your senseless bigotry, and bothering existing users
> with your poor communication skills".
> But that is all semantics.
I
David,
> "tolerant" is not the same as "stanceless".
Agreed. And "taking a stance" is not the same as "driving potential users away
with your senseless bigotry, and bothering existing users with your poor
communication skills".
But that is all semantics.
> Forbidding people to discuss what tha
James,
> If we must spend energy on advocacy, let's work on gaining wider use of
> Lilypond in the music business.
Precisely.
Thank you for injecting some sense-ful commentary in an increasingly sense-less
thread.
Best,
Kieren.
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Han-Wen Nienhuys gmail.com> writes:
> Our mission has always been to provide excellent music notation in a
> free software package to as many people as possible, including those
> using windows and macs. We have no business doing ideological
> advocacy, and frankly, the original message that star
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> David,
>
>> Then it would seem that many of us have forgotten
>> what brought LilyPond to them in the first place.
>
> No — some of us just have a sense of balance and tolerance.
Sounds to me like the "fair is foul and foul is fair" idea of balance
and tolerance pervad
On 02/27/2013 11:41 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
I am and have been ambivalent about being part of the GNU project. It
has come with a lot of harping about how we should say things (like
insisting on naming Linux as "GNU/Linux"), with little in return.
At the risk of opening up a can of worms,
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:21 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Those who don't care will not actively help Free Software including
>>> LilyPond, so it is in LilyPond's best interest to make them care. Which
>>> is not necessarily the same as annoying them. But it is also not the
>>> same as hiding un
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
> ryanmichaelmcclure writes:
>> Let those who want to have freedom use their OS, and those who don't
>> care use their OS.
>
> Those who don't care will not actively help Free Software including
> LilyPond, so it is in LilyPond's best interes
David,
> Then it would seem that many of us have forgotten
> what brought LilyPond to them in the first place.
No — some of us just have a sense of balance and tolerance.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Regards,
Kieren.
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Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hello all,
>
>> Those who don't care will not actively help Free Software including
>> LilyPond, so it is in LilyPond's best interest to make them care. Which
>> is not necessarily the same as annoying them. But it is also not the
>> same as hiding under a rock.
>
> I
Hello all,
> Those who don't care will not actively help Free Software including
> LilyPond, so it is in LilyPond's best interest to make them care. Which
> is not necessarily the same as annoying them. But it is also not the
> same as hiding under a rock.
I would agree with what Ryan is implyi
ryanmichaelmcclure writes:
> The last that I checked, this was a LILYPOND mailing list, and not a
> battle about software freedom.
The last time I checked, this is the GNU LilyPond mailing list, and as a
GNU project making use of GNU resources, the GNU maintainer guidelines
are relevant for us.
The last that I checked, this was a LILYPOND mailing list, and not a battle
about software freedom. Let those who want to have freedom use their OS, and
those who don't care use their OS.
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http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Re-Advocating-non-free-soft
Graham Percival writes:
> The download page is not a place for OS advocacy.
+1
Thanks for your helpful viewpoints.
Jan
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:03:30AM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> Come to think of it, do we say something about the choice of operating
> system? We don't do that on the download pages, we present them as
> equal choices.
>
> Why don't we say something on the download pages like:
-snip-
The
Tim Roberts writes:
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>> james writes:
>> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating
>> the use of non-free operating systems?
>>> >
>>> > Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating
>>> > systems? Or ask questions,
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> james writes:
>>> >> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
>>> >> of non-free operating systems?
>> >
>> > Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating
>> > systems? Or ask questions, comments about non-free operat
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:17 PM
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
>
>> Why don't we say something on the download pages like:
>>
>>Free systems: GNU/Linux, FreeBSD ... {we even say: UNIX, ugh!?}
>>
>>We encourage you to use a free operating system.
>>
>>We provide
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> james writes:
>
>>> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
>>> of non-free operating systems?
>>
>> Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating
>> systems? Or ask questions, comments about non-free operating syst
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Come to think of it, do we say something about the choice of operating
> system? We don't do that on the download pages, we present them as
> equal choices.
>
> Why don't we say something on the download pages like:
>
>Free systems: GNU/Linux, FreeBSD ... {we eve
james writes:
>> Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
>> of non-free operating systems?
>
> Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating
> systems? Or ask questions, comments about non-free operating systems?
I think we can proudly adverti
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:20:11 +0100
li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> >
> > > Francois Planiol writes:
> > >
> > >> No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
> > >> [a freedom-limiting operating system] and thi
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> > Francois Planiol writes:
> >
> >> No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
> >> [a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic.
> >
> > Thanks for your encouraging words about Frescobald
On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> Francois Planiol writes:
>
>> No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
>> [a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic.
>
> Thanks for your encouraging words about Frescobaldi.
>
> Could y
Francois Planiol writes:
> No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
> [a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic.
Thanks for your encouraging words about Frescobaldi.
Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
of no
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