Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-11 Thread Mark Theodoropoulos
On 2017-09-01 3:34 PM, David Kastrup wrote: It's not just the bar lines but also hacking durations into tied pieces at _every_ metric division. That makes it rather hard for the executioner to bring out the _inner_ rhythmic and thematic structure without hanging every note from the rigid meter.

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-06 Thread Graham King
David, Simon, forgive me: a quirk of my email reader has hidden this fascinating exchange until now. Here are a few thoughts: On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 01:20 +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Simon Albrecht writes: > > > On 02.09.2017 00:34, David Kastrup wrote: > Mensural music tends to be a lot

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > On 02.09.2017 00:34, David Kastrup wrote: Mensural music tends to be a lot less beat-centric (and chord-centric) than later music. >>> I used to think that as well, and many people did, and do. For several >>> reasons, I don’t anymore: >>> 1) There’s the „notati

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 02.09.2017 00:34, David Kastrup wrote: Mensural music tends to be a lot less beat-centric (and chord-centric) than later music. I used to think that as well, and many people did, and do. For several reasons, I don’t anymore: 1) There’s the „notationskundliche“ (‘notationological’…) aspect, wh

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > On 01.09.2017 14:50, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham King writes: >>> On Thu, 2017-08-31 at 16:06 +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: On 31.08.2017 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: > At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note > three measure

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 01.09.2017 14:50, David Kastrup wrote: Graham King writes: On Thu, 2017-08-31 at 16:06 +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: On 31.08.2017 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note three measure long. Is there any way to do that simply? Ye

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread Graham King
On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 14:32 +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: > On 01.09.2017 13:37, Graham King wrote: > > Which IIUC you don’t need to know if you’re only going as early as > Palestrina… ;-) > Apologies. I got over-enthusiastic and failed to read the question properly. Null Points. ___

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread David Kastrup
Graham King writes: > On Thu, 2017-08-31 at 16:06 +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: > >> On 31.08.2017 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: >> > At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note >> > three measure long. Is there any way to do that simply? >> >> Yes, there is. However, t

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 01.09.2017 13:37, Graham King wrote: Yes, there is. However, that is actually a \maxima (with a duration of 8*1) or even more, with "perfection" at the level of prolation, tempus, modus or (theoretically) maximodus. Which IIUC you don’t need to know if you’re only going as early as Palestr

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-09-01 Thread Graham King
On Thu, 2017-08-31 at 16:06 +0200, Simon Albrecht wrote: > On 31.08.2017 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: > > At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note > > three measure long. Is there any way to do that simply? > > Yes, there is. However, that is actually a \maxima (wit

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-08-31 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 31.08.2017 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note three measure long. Is there any way to do that simply? Yes, there is. However, that is actually a \maxima (with a duration of 8*1) and the Möseler edition you’re copying from pro

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-08-31 Thread Bernhard Kleine
Thank you all: either c\breve. c\longa*3/4 or c\breve*3/2 worked. I opted for the second choice. It looks like the original (ars musica Moeseler vol4 page 67). Bernhard -- spitzhalde9 D-79853 lenzkirch bernhard.kle...@gmx.net www.b-kleine.com, www.urseetal.net - thunderbird mit enigmail GPG sc

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-08-31 Thread Michael Gerdau
If a dotted \breve is not what you wish to see then using either of c\breve*3/2 or c\longa*3/4 will give you a \breve or \longa that is three 4/4 measures long. I use these regularly when typesetting Schütz, Schein, Franck etc. HTH, Michael > caag...@gmail.com hat am 31. August 2017 um 14:45 g

Re: A note which is three measures long

2017-08-31 Thread caagr98
If you want a note that is three *whole notes* long, you could use a dotted \breve. If you want a note that is three *measures*, just use ties. Having notes that cross barlines is just confusing for everyone. On 08/31/17 14:40, Bernhard Kleine wrote: c\breve is two measures long, c\longa four

A note which is three measures long

2017-08-31 Thread Bernhard Kleine
c\breve is two measures long, c\longa four measures. At the end of the Kyrie from Palestrina's Missa Brevis there is a note three measure long. Is there any way to do that simply? Regards Bernhard -- spitzhalde9 D-79853 lenzkirch bernhard.kle...@gmx.net www.b-kleine.com, www.urseetal.net - thun