Re: Calling all Londoners

2012-02-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: To: "Devel Team" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Calling all Londoners Hey all, On Monday, I'll be crossing the channel to the land where everything's called pudding and people drive on the wrong side of the road. I'll be in London fo

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:44 AM Subject: Re: google summer of code Janek Warchoł writes: 2012/2/9 Graham Percival : Probably something like GSoC for "grace timing" would be overkill. OTOH, if a student starts from a blank sl

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: "David Kastrup" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:44 AM > Subject: Re: google summer of code > > >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >>> 2012/2/9 Graham Percival : Probably something like GSoC for "grace timing" would be o

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/10 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> Sorry, i don't understand. Do you think that grace timing is too >> small or too big for GSoC? > > It _sounds_ too small, but may turn out to be quite a number. > Basically, it requires a solid understanding of iterators, analyzing the > music

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2012/2/10 David Kastrup : >> Janek Warchoł writes: >>> Sorry, i don't understand. Do you think that grace timing is too >>> small or too big for GSoC? >> >> It _sounds_ too small, but may turn out to be quite a number. >> Basically, it requires a solid understanding of i

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/10 David Kastrup : > Don't get me wrong: it is probably quite enough work for getting someone > started.  I'm just not sure whether it will be easy to sell it off.  The > largest part of the work would realistically consist in digging oneself > into sparsely documented areas, just in order t

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to implement in C++ and expose through bindings, as the C++ matrices will be better packed in memory, and should probably only be manipulated by operations involving multiple

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform > matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to > implement in C++ and expose through bindings, as the C++ matrices will > be better packed in memory, and should probably only be manipulat

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > >> Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform >> matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to >> implement in C++ and expose through bindings, as the C++ matrices will >> be better packed in memory, and sh

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: >> >>> Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform >>> matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to >>> implement in C++ and expose through bindings, as the C++ matrices will >>> b

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform > matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to > implement in C++ and expose through bindings, as the C++ matrices will > be better packed in memory, and should

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > David Kastrup writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: >>> Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seems an excellent candidate to implement in

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> David Kastrup writes: >>> Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > Just a very quick look: I notice you're creating affine transform > matrices in Scheme. IMO, this seem

guile1-config

2012-02-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Folks, openSuSE is now packaging guile 1 and guile 2 separately, and the former comes with a `guile1-config' script, and the binary is called `guile1'. Given that lilypond doesn't work reliably with guile 2 yet (at least I got a segfault during `make all') it might be a good thing to make it wo

Re: guile1-config

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: > Folks, > > > openSuSE is now packaging guile 1 and guile 2 separately, and the > former comes with a `guile1-config' script, and the binary is called > `guile1'. > > Given that lilypond doesn't work reliably with guile 2 yet (at least I > got a segfault during `make all')

Re: guile1-config

2012-02-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Attached is a very primitive patch which works for me. > > That patch looks like it would stop working the moment you also > install Guile 2. I don't think so, but admittedly I haven't tested it. The patch is bad, I know; it's just to tell people what I have done to compile lilypond with the

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Brent Annable
Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter project? Or has this already been considered? Brent. On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond dev

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread mike
On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:05 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> David Kastrup writes: >>> David Kastrup writes: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > >> Just a very quick look: I notice you're c

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com writes: > >> I immediately agree that it is a >> nuisance to first do the work of coding this, then do the work of >> replacing it again, then check that the replacement also works. It >> would have been nicer if I had thought of this earlier. >> > > There is absolutely no

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:55 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > m...@apollinemike.com writes: > >> >>> I immediately agree that it is a >>> nuisance to first do the work of coding this, then do the work of >>> replacing it again, then check that the replacement also works. It >>> would have been nicer if I

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > The problem is that the Pango API does not allow multiplication > between two arbitrary matrices. Hm? What's wrong with pango_matrix_concat ? > I like the openness of the one I've created, and if we lock ourselves > into using Pango, then we close off this ope

Announce discontinuation of MacOSX support for versions 10.4 and older (issue 2271) (issue 5653057)

2012-02-10 Thread graham
I have mixed feelings about this patch. Given that adding osx 10.4 ppc support is a two-line patch -- smaller than this one! -- it feels a bit weird to move ahead with this. However, there is clearly no desire to actually create that two-line patch, so I guess that removing support is the thing

Re: Announce discontinuation of MacOSX support for versions 10.4 and older (issue 2271) (issue 5653057)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
gra...@percival-music.ca writes: > I have mixed feelings about this patch. Given that adding osx 10.4 ppc > support is a two-line patch -- smaller than this one! -- it feels a bit > weird to move ahead with this. However, there is clearly no desire to > actually create that two-line patch, so I

Re: Announce discontinuation of MacOSX support for versions 10.4 and older (issue 2271) (issue 5653057)

2012-02-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:16:53PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > gra...@percival-music.ca writes: > > > However, there is clearly no desire to > > actually create that two-line patch, so I guess that removing support is > > the thing to do. > > Again: I don't have a clue about the involved work.

Re: Announce discontinuation of MacOSX support for versions 10.4 and older (issue 2271) (issue 5653057)

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:16:53PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> gra...@percival-music.ca writes: >> >> > However, there is clearly no desire to >> > actually create that two-line patch, so I guess that removing support is >> > the thing to do. >> >> Again: I don't hav

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-02-10 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Feb 10, 2012, at 7:35 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> The problem is that the Pango API does not allow multiplication >> between two arbitrary matrices. > > Hm? What's wrong with pango_matrix_concat ? Missed that. New dev/skylines-cached up that uses pango

Re: Announce discontinuation of MacOSX support for versions 10.4 and older (issue 2271) (issue 5653057)

2012-02-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/10/12 12:52 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >Graham Percival writes: > >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:16:53PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >>> gra...@percival-music.ca writes: >>> >>> > However, there is clearly no desire to >>> > actually create that two-line patch, so I guess that removing >>>s

Dubious recommendation about ragged-last-bottom in spacing.itely

2012-02-10 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello! There is a strange suggestion in Documentation/notation/spacing.itely: @item ragged-last-bottom @funindex ragged-last-bottom If set to false, systems will spread vertically down the last page. Pieces that amply fill two pages or more should have this set to true. I bel

Re: Glyphs for Kievan Notation (issue 4951062)

2012-02-10 Thread janek . lilypond
This was pushed as 18dda6b2f5fbea91a174b60eb22bbb73591b9b64 Thanks, Aleksandr and all reviewers! Janek http://codereview.appspot.com/4951062/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: google summer of code

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Graham Percival : > Does anybody feel like submitting a proposal to google summer of > code?  IIRC students must be registered at a school, so this isn't > something that would help any senior developer, but it's still > $5500 for any student that ends up working on lilypond over the > sum

Re: Dubious recommendation about ragged-last-bottom in spacing.itely

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/10 Pavel Roskin : > Hello! > > There is a strange suggestion in Documentation/notation/spacing.itely: > > > @item ragged-last-bottom > @funindex ragged-last-bottom > > If set to false, systems will spread vertically down the last > page.  Pieces that amply fill two pages or more sho

some comments and complaints on the code (issue 5651069)

2012-02-10 Thread janek . lilypond
Reviewers: milimetr88, Message: Hi, together with Luke (milimet...@gmail.com) we're preparing a fix for http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1546 We had a really hard time on Wednesday trying to understand how the current code works; after 4 hours of reading we have some grasp now

Re: some comments and complaints on the code (issue 5651069)

2012-02-10 Thread Carl . D . Sorensen
Thanks for taking this on, Janek. I don't know what the response will be to for_UP_and_DOWN(d). The last time somebody proposed a change, it was resisted because the do{} flip(d)!=UP idiom seemed simple enough to be acceptable. But I think the new idiom is more readable, and if there are no per

Re: some comments and complaints on the code (issue 5651069)

2012-02-10 Thread joeneeman
http://codereview.appspot.com/5651069/diff/1/lily/accidental-placement.cc File lily/accidental-placement.cc (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/5651069/diff/1/lily/accidental-placement.cc#newcode211 lily/accidental-placement.cc:211: * @return A vector of Accidental_placement_entrys Please don

git repository for osx-lilypond

2012-02-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
I'm trying to see if it's possible to keep support for OSX 10.4, and at the same time, have the proper version of lilypond shown in the About box. In order to try to track this down, I'd like to have a git history to see how things have changed. According to issue 980, they're hosted at github.co