On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:36:28PM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
> Either 12.5 Building an Ubuntu distro or 13.6 Ditto, with Unsorted
> Policies -> 13.7?
12.5 sounds fine to me; please push.
Cheers,
- Graham
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- Original Message -
From: "Graham Percival"
To: "Phil Holmes"
Cc: "Jonathan Kulp" ;
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:20:15PM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
I was going to say that the instructio
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:20:15PM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
> I was going to say that the instructions below don't appear to be in
> the CG. But I've just done a Google on their precise words and found
> them in 13.6 Unsorted policies. Think it would make sense to put
> them in their own section
athan Kulp"
To: "Graham Percival"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Kulp
wrote:
With that in mind, does anybody feel like cooking up lilybuntu 2
right now? I recommend
- Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
- nothing else f
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 02:29:27PM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> Latest iso (just finished, not uploaded) still has evolution,
> therefore still has ubuntu desktop environment metapackage installed.
> Still has Ubuntu software center & other ubuntu-specific desktop stuff
> like that. I think we're
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>> We have "default applications removed" and have "some variance in package
>> selection". Therefore, this is not just Ubuntu, it's a derived work from
>> Ubuntu, at least in Ubuntu's mind. And Ubuntu wants it called a "remix" if
>> we are
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:42:59AM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote:
>
> In general, a Remix
> can have applications from the Ubuntu archives added, or default
> applications removed, but removing or changing any infrastructure components
> (e.g., shared libraries or desktop components) will result in c
On 12/20/10 10:46 AM, "Jonathan Kulp" wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Graham Percival
> wrote:
>>> BTW: since we are effectively distributing a full-blown GNU/Linux
>>> distro, we might want to consider naming it differently; as things
>>> currently are, I'm afraid we're committing
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 06:57:46PM +, James wrote:
> http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-giraffe/using-lilybuntu.html
>
> >•Pasting into a terminal is done with Ctrl+Shift+v.
>
> This is not true (for me anyway - just tried it).
really? I tried it a couple of times, and it worked for me.
> You
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 08:49:26PM +0100, Valentin Villenave wrote:
> It might be a good idea to provide users with a version-independent
> URL, such as files.lilynet.net/lilybuntu-latest.iso (this way I can
> just maintain the symlink without having the CG everytime a new iso is
> out).
I would r
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>> BTW: since we are effectively distributing a full-blown GNU/Linux
>> distro, we might want to consider naming it differently; as things
>> currently are, I'm afraid we're committing a trademark infringement of
>> sorts:
>
> Mao.
>
>
> Ok,
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>>> virtualLily
>>
>>> VMLily
>>
>>> LilyVM
>>
>>> LilyDevel
>>
>>> LilyBuilder
>>
Toadstool Linux
Frog Linux
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Am 18.12.2010 um 02:55 schrieb pound...@lineone.net:
Original Message
From: c_soren...@byu.edu
Date: 18/12/2010 0:32
What about if we came up with some other name that wouldn't cause
trademark
problems?
virtualLily
VMLily
LilyVM
LilyDevel
LilyBuilder
"VM
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> We could also call it lilypuntu, since they only claim trademark to words
> ending in "BUNTU". Juse move the splice one character to the right. It
> even sounds almost the same, but is spelled differently.
I was about to suggest LilyBonto
On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 01:55 +, pound...@lineone.net wrote:
> "VM" and "virtual" suggest there is something about the distro that is
> particular to being run in a virtual machine. Why not just LilyLinux?
>
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>Original Message
>From: c_soren...@byu.edu
>Date: 18/12/2010 0:32
>What about if we came up with some other name that wouldn't cause
trademark
>problems?
>
>virtualLily
>VMLily
>LilyVM
>LilyDevel
>LilyBuilder
>
"VM" and "virtual" suggest there is something about the distro th
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 06:57:46PM +, James wrote:
> http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-giraffe/compiling-with-lilybuntu.html
>
> Slightly OT,
I'll look at the on-topic comments later.
> I never create a 'build' dir.
...
> Is there a reason we are advocating an extra mkdir
> ../build/configure/
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 05:32:38PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> On 12/17/10 4:15 PM, "James Lowe" wrote:
>
> > Lilybuntu is a great name!
>
> It is, and I'd like to be able to keep it. But the Ubuntu people are pretty
> clear about how they want to see their trademark used.
Yes.
> We could a
On 12/17/10 4:15 PM, "James Lowe" wrote:
>
> Lilybuntu is a great name!
It is, and I'd like to be able to keep it. But the Ubuntu people are pretty
clear about how they want to see their trademark used.
We could ask them for permission. I suspect they wouldn't give it, but it
wouldn't hurt
awww...
-Original Message-
From: lilypond-devel-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org on behalf of
Valentin Villenave
Sent: Fri 12/17/2010 19:49
To: Graham Percival
Cc: Lily devel
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2 and instructions
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Graham Percival
wrote
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
>
>> BTW: since we are effectively distributing a full-blown GNU/Linux
>> distro, we might want to consider naming it differently; as things
>> currently are, I'm afraid we're committing a trademark infringement of
>> sorts:
>> """
>> Any mark
On 12/17/10 12:49 PM, "Valentin Villenave" wrote:
>
> BTW: since we are effectively distributing a full-blown GNU/Linux
> distro, we might want to consider naming it differently; as things
> currently are, I'm afraid we're committing a trademark infringement of
> sorts:
> """
> Any mark ending
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> I've heard feedback from James, Colin, and Phil. Could we have
> another volunteer try lilybuntu2, and test of those instructions?
Hi Graham,
It might be a good idea to provide users with a version-independent
URL, such as files.lilynet
- Original Message -
From: "Graham Percival"
To: "Lily devel"
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: lilybuntu 2 and instructions
I have a new version of the lilybuntu instructions, uploaded here:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-doggy/lilybuntu.html
Graham,
On 17/12/2010 16:52, Graham Percival wrote:
I have a new version of the lilybuntu instructions, uploaded here:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-giraffe/quick-start.html
I took the radical step of creating an entirely new chapter, "quick
start". Give it a whirl.
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 06:38:06PM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival"
> >I have a new version of the lilybuntu instructions, uploaded here:
> > http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-doggy/lilybuntu.html
obsoleted as of 5pm or so today.
> "Download the 'lilyb
I have a new version of the lilybuntu instructions, uploaded here:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-giraffe/quick-start.html
I took the radical step of creating an entirely new chapter, "quick
start". Give it a whirl.
These instructions are valid for a short time. Once I have a newer
draft, I w
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> I'm a linux power user but my laptop doesn't have a middle mouse button. :)
>
> Click the left and right trackpad buttons at the same time. If you're
> on a powerbook, by now you sh
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> I'm a linux power user but my laptop doesn't have a middle mouse button. :)
Click the left and right trackpad buttons at the same time. If you're
on a powerbook, by now you should have mapped your F11 and F12 keys to
"middle click" and "rig
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>
>> Might need note about using Ctrl+Shift+V to paste into a terminal, in
>> case people are copying/pasting from the doc pages.
>
> Wow, this never occurred to me -- I just middle-clicked. I'd
> completely forgotten that people using non-u
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 06:39:22AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> I've always managed to find a difficult way to do these things.
...
> These are good instructions. I never knew about out-of-tree building,
and I never knew about ./autogen.sh --noconfigure until John
mentioned it a few days ago.
T
Never heard the "displeased" version. It says it's Southern English
dialect - it's either quite localised or has died out again.
Phil
Interestingly enough, in this dictionary
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chuffed
chuffed means *both* pleased and displeased!
Isn't English fun?
On 12/17/10 5:06 AM, "Phil Holmes" wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Graham Percival"
> To: "Phil Holmes"
> Cc: "Colin Campbell" ;
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
>
>
>
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>
> I've heard feedback from James, Colin, and Phil. Could we have
> another volunteer try lilybuntu2, and test of those instructions?
>
Am doing it now. I've installed it 7-8 times in the last few days but
haven't followed your instruction
- Original Message -
From: "Graham Percival"
To: "Phil Holmes"
Cc: "Colin Campbell" ;
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:44:06AM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
Just come across another issue you m
I have a new version of the lilybuntu instructions, uploaded here:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/cg-doggy/lilybuntu.html
These instructions are valid for a short time. Once I have a newer
draft, I will delete that directory and send a new link. Please:
- look only at those instructions.
- do NOT
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Colin Campbell wrote:
> All that said, however, I think that both lily-git and lilybuntu are
> rather awkwardly shoehorned into the CG.
I've just followed my instructions for the updated lilybuntu2, and
despite my reorganization, it still feels a bit awkward.
> I
Phil Holmes wrote Friday, December 17, 2010 10:12 AM
From: "Trevor Daniels"
64 bit vista. 6 Gigs RAM. The odd 1 Gig for a VM has no effect
:-)
Lucky you ! It certainly does on my 3Gb laptop (at its maximum).
Trevor
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:44:06AM -, Phil Holmes wrote:
> Just come across another issue you may want to document. It's not
> trivial to get stuff on and off the VM. If you install the Guest
> additions, copy and paste works fine. However, I wasn't able to
> find an easy way to transfer fil
- Original Message -
From: "Trevor Daniels"
To: "Colin Campbell" ;
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
Colin Campbell wrote Friday, December 17, 2010 4:44 AM
Hi Colin - pleased you found this easy. Just one comment ..
3. Work
Colin Campbell wrote Friday, December 17, 2010 4:44 AM
Hi Colin - pleased you found this easy. Just one comment ..
3. Working with source code (was section 2)
* left as is, although why do we use git on Windows if we can't
build?
If we're pointing Windows and MacOS users to lilybuntu, let's
- Original Message -
From: "Graham Percival"
To: "Colin Campbell"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: lilybuntu 2
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 04:54:45AM +, Graham Percival wrote:
unfortunately kainhofer doesn't seem to be updating wit
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 04:54:45AM +, Graham Percival wrote:
> unfortunately kainhofer doesn't seem to be updating with the new
> CG (or even the new website), so until I release 2.13.44, the only
> people who can see the updated instructions are those who can
> already compile git.
Further to
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 09:44:17PM -0700, Colin Campbell wrote:
> Use FF to go to LP website, follow path from Community - Help Us -
> Advanced Tasks to Use Lilybuntu
> Clicked on link to lily-git.tcl source, watched it open as a text file,
> thought "Silly bunt!", opened Nautilus and found the sc
ision of the process. Unfortunately, the results aren't online
> yet, but let's not panic.
>
> Would any doc-savvy contributor like to try lilybuntu 2 and the
> new version of the instructions?
>
> 1. Please rebuild the docs from current git master (or at least,
> build the
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Valentin Villenave
wrote:
>
> Jon, if you do make a new iso, then please feel free to create a
> torrent file as well, with the following URL as a tracker:
> http://torrents.lilynet.net/announce.php
>
> Then you can either upload the file or just send me the torren
k the docs, then a new
> person will try it, then I'll adjust the docs again, etc.
James has tried it and sent me comments, and I've made my first
revision of the process. Unfortunately, the results aren't online
yet, but let's not panic.
Would any doc-savvy contributor lik
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> Can you tell I'm on winter holiday? ;) I'm having fun fiddling around
> learning this stuff.
Jon, if you do make a new iso, then please feel free to create a
torrent file as well, with the following URL as a tracker:
http://torrents.lilynet.
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> I'm working on a slight improvement right now. I've made a desktop
>> launcher for lily-git.tcl and I want to see if I can make it appear on
>> the user's desktop by default instead
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> I'm working on a slight improvement right now. I've made a desktop
> launcher for lily-git.tcl and I want to see if I can make it appear on
> the user's desktop by default instead of in the home directory. Trying
> to make it as foolproof as
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:50 AM, James wrote:
> Now if we could configure LilyGit.tcl to have another button to 'compile
> (doc) for the first time'
>
> It could run ./autogen.sh and then make ; make doc.
>
> I rarely make install personally.
>
> But thanks again Jonathan!
>
No problem. :)
I'm
hello,
On 14/12/2010 03:14, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
I made a new .iso with fontforge 20100501 built from source, as well
as dblatex. ./autogen.sh now runs with no warnings or errors.
Yes I can confirm this too.
Am starting a make ; make doc now.
Now if we could configure LilyGit.tcl to have ano
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:48 PM, James wrote:
>
> Or I can use the CG on the website which seems to be
>
> Development for LilyPond 2.13.43
Actually, that's fine for you. Nothing has changed since .43 yet.
I'm halfway done downloading it, and I'll make small tweaks as I go
through the installati
hello,
On 15/12/2010 14:58, Graham Percival wrote:
With that in mind, could James (continue) to test it, making sure
that he looks at the docs in current git rather than relying on
his own knowledge?
The iso is now downloaded.
I'll look at the CG in Git (once I can compile the docs again :) I
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Valentin Villenave
wrote:
>
> I've added a bitTorrent tracker and server as well:
>
> http://torrents.lilynet.net
>
> Cheers,
> Valentin.
>
Excellent! Thanks Valentin. I'm set up to be a seeder.
Jon
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:11:46AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> The new .iso file is ready. You can brows for it at this address:
Great!
> If you want to test it, please feel free. Note that the lily-git.tcl
> script is already in the user's home directory, ready to grab the
> source code.
Actu
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> The new .iso file is ready. You can brows for it at this address:
> http://files.lilynet.net/
> or download directly using this one:
>
> http://files.lilynet.net/lilybuntu2.iso
> http://files.lilynet.net/lilybuntu2.iso.md5
I've added a bitT
Hello,
On 15/12/2010 11:11, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
If you want to test it, please feel free
Feeling free right now!
Will let you know if I get any issues after today (assume no news is
good news!).
Thanks for doing this Jonathan.
James
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> since most will use it in a VM. Now I'm running make all and make doc
>> to test it before sharing. Incidentally I'd hate to have to build the
>
> Everything built without errors. I'm
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>
> Thanks! How are your wrists? If you're fine for typing now, then
> please make a patch for the CG with these instructions. Err...
> just add a @subheading to CG 11.6 Unsorted policies, and dump the
> text in there. Do nothing fancy.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> since most will use it in a VM. Now I'm running make all and make doc
> to test it before sharing. Incidentally I'd hate to have to build the
Everything built without errors. I'm ready to upload the .iso.
Valentin can you email me the ftp s
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> Do you get any warnings or errors when running ./configure ? it would
> be nice if we didn't have any of those.
>
> This would require getting fontforge 20100501 from here, though:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforg
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> Hmm. This sounds plausible but it's also possible that I don't know
> how to do a torrent properly.
Please give me a ping, and I'll provide you with an ftp account that
will allow you to upload the file on http://files.lilynet.net/.
I've a
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
>
> They should be in out-www/offline-root/ unless you do anything really weird.
>
>> It's not quite ready yet. Doc-build doesn't make the html files. After
>> installing dblatex on my regular machine I found that the docs build
>> perfectly.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jonathan Kulp >> end up? I don't see them in
> Documentation/out-www/
>>
They should be in out-www/offline-root/ unless you do anything really weird.
> It's not quite ready yet. Doc-build doesn't make the h
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>
> Ok I think lilybuntu2.iso is ready to go. Doc build just finished.
> There were a couple of errors at end but I think all the pdf files
> were built. Not sure what else to check on. Where do the html files
> end up? I don't see them in Docu
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>
> I don't have a home for it yet. It's 938 MB. I think it's the texlive
> packages that make it so huge. I've removed almost all desktop
> software and documentation packages. I'll be able to run the doc-build
> later this morning and then fi
On 13/12/2010 16:06, Graham Percival wrote:
I think it ended up on Valentin's server.
Cheers,
- Graham
Seems both Phil's and my link work :)
I've only ever used
http://prodet.hu/bert/lilydev/lilybuntu.iso
Regards
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 09:59:06AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> I don't have a home for it yet. It's 938 MB. I think it's the texlive
> packages that make it so huge. I've removed almost all desktop
> software and documentation packages. I'll be able to run the doc-build
> later this morning and t
- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan Kulp"
I don't have a home for it yet. It's 938 MB. I think it's the texlive
packages that make it so huge. I've removed almost all desktop
software and documentation packages. I'll be able to run the doc-build
later this morning and then find a place
On 13/12/2010 15:59, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:53 AM, James wrote:
On 13/12/2010 15:39, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Kulp
wrote:
With that in mind, does anybody feel like cooking up lilybuntu 2
right now? I recommend
- Ubuntu 10.04
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 09:39:57AM -0600, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> lilybuntu2 is about ready. I've created the .iso and installed in a VM
> for testing, all that's left is to test the doc-build in the VM.
> building of LP itself went fine. Lilybuntu2 should be even easier for
> folks than the previou
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:53 AM, James wrote:
> On 13/12/2010 15:39, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Kulp
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With that in mind, does anybody feel like cooking up lilybuntu 2
>>>> right
Hello
On 13/12/2010 15:39, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
With that in mind, does anybody feel like cooking up lilybuntu 2
right now? I recommend
- Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
- nothing else fancy
lilybuntu2 is about ready. I've created the .is
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> With that in mind, does anybody feel like cooking up lilybuntu 2
>> right now? I recommend
>> - Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
>> - nothing else fancy
>
lilybuntu2 is about ready. I've created the .iso and installed in a
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> I was hoping that guile 2.0 and/or texinfo 4.14 would be out by
> now, but it seems like that's going to be be released a few days
> after officially making lilybuntu 2. (not from insight into the
> development of either
I was hoping that guile 2.0 and/or texinfo 4.14 would be out by
now, but it seems like that's going to be be released a few days
after officially making lilybuntu 2. (not from insight into the
development of either project; just an observation of the
convenience of the universe)
With th
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