Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Graham Percival writes:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>>> - plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
>>> ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
>>> creators (linux, git).
>>
>> A
On 27/09/13 03:44, Graham Percival wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:12:27PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
This risks becoming another corrosive discussion,
Then WTF are you starting it?
Because I had hoped that what I said was sufficiently qualified not to create
bad feeling. Obvi
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes:
> On 26/09/13 18:38, David Kastrup wrote:
>> You commented on the issue where this patch originated as late as July:
>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1278#c7>. So
>> it's hard to argue that it was not discoverable to you.
>
> This July I got a
On 26/09/13 18:38, David Kastrup wrote:
You commented on the issue where this patch originated as late as July:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1278#c7>. So
it's hard to argue that it was not discoverable to you.
This July I got an email update from the issue, and responded.
Graham Percival writes:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>> - plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
>> ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
>> creators (linux, git).
>
> Are you volunteering to be that benevo
Hans Aberg writes:
> On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes wrote:
>
>>> The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to
>>> create a more elegant solution for how to rewrite accidentals in
>>> transposed music. It was all related to the need for an effective
>>> chromatic transp
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> - plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
> ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
> creators (linux, git).
Are you volunteering to be that benevolent dictator? Spend, say,
15 ho
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:12:27PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
> On 26/09/13 14:52, Phil Holmes wrote:
> >"We've had bad experiences where a helpful and enthusiastic new
> >contributor misunderstood the instructions, ran off and did 5 hours of
> >work instead of 10 minutes, and none of th
2013/9/27 Janek Warchoł :
> 2013/9/26 Colin Campbell :
>> Well, I'm unskilled and uneducated in most areas useful to development and
>> change management, but I'm offering to help in whatever way you think I can.
>
> Excellent! We'll probably start by creating some test repositories on
> gitorious
2013/9/26 Colin Campbell :
> On 13-09-26 03:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
>> doing things :-)
>>
>> David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
>> Other things that are worth looking at are:
>> - g
On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes wrote:
>> The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to create a
>> more elegant solution for how to rewrite accidentals in transposed music. It
>> was all related to the need for an effective chromatic transposition
>> solution that als
On 13-09-26 03:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes wrote:
>> On 26/09/13 16:37, Trevor Daniels wrote:
>>> Almost exactly what I was about to reply, but Phil beat me to it! In fact I
>>> think I remember helping you add the Contemporary music headings some
>>> time ago, or was it someone else?
>>
>> The sect
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes:
> On 26/09/13 17:35, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
>> Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd already
>> proposed and found lacking, as it doesn't play nice with transposition :-(
>>
>> There was actually a patch submitted which tweake
On 26/09/13 17:35, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd already
proposed and found lacking, as it doesn't play nice with transposition :-(
There was actually a patch submitted which tweaked the internal pitch
representation appropria
On 26/09/13 17:16, Phil Holmes wrote:
I think it's waiting for someone to propose how it could be represented in
LilyPond. If _someone_ were to do that, it might progress - it was only a few
months ago it was last looked at.
Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling"
To: "Trevor Daniels" ; "Phil Holmes"
; "David Kastrup"
Cc: "LilyPond Development Team"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: improving our contributing tools and w
On 26/09/13 16:37, Trevor Daniels wrote:
Almost exactly what I was about to reply, but Phil beat me to it! In fact I
think I remember helping you add the Contemporary music headings some
time ago, or was it someone else?
The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to create a
Phil Holmes wrote Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:11 PM
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling"
>
>> On 26/09/13 15:04, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> How many substantial patches would you expect yourself to be
>>> contributing in the wake of such a move per month to LilyPo
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling"
To: "David Kastrup"
Cc: "Jan Nieuwenhuizen" ; "Janek Warchoł"
; "LilyPond Development Team"
; "Phil Holmes" ; "Graham
Percival"
Sent: Thursday, Septem
On 26/09/13 15:23, David Kastrup wrote:
Well, you think that it's better to demoralize existing developers
rather than hypothetical would-be contributors nobody knows.
This is going to be a toxic direction of discussion if we pursue it, so I won't
respond, except to say that it is not my inten
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes:
> Now, I'm not assuming that no one has ever done this. I rather
> imagine it's been tried and that the resulting workload (probably
> mostly Graham's) has been overwhelming and that in fact there is no
> guarantee that it pays off in terms of another long-term co
On 26/09/13 15:04, David Kastrup wrote:
How many substantial patches would you expect yourself to be
contributing in the wake of such a move per month to LilyPond?
Don't know. Most of my potential contributions to Lilypond are likely to be
documentation -- among other things I'd like to revis
On 26/09/13 14:52, Phil Holmes wrote:
I thought I made this clear - I was repeating something Graham said to me on a
number of occasions. He would argue it was realistic, not pessimistic. You have
to be aware of the fact that, simply by working hard on a problem does not
guarantee that the effor
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes:
> There may be another side to this. Post-GitHub there has been a
> pretty substantial increase in the user-friendliness of DVCS. What's
> currently advocated in the Contributors' Guide stands in stark
> contrast to the ease of contribution (and contribution mana
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "Phil Holmes"
Cc: "LilyPond Development Team" ; "David Kastrup"
; "Joseph Wakeling" ; "Graham
Percival"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: improving our
On 26/09/13 11:48, Janek Warchoł wrote:
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
GitLab: http://gitlab.org/
Looks more feature-complete and user-friendly than Gitorious (it's go
On 26/09/13 13:56, Phil Holmes wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, Google Code could be changed. I find its restriction
on attachments annoying. However, a replacement would have to be able to import
_all_ the issues lodged there with all their detail and attachments, and provide
similar facilities
On 26/09/13 14:26, David Kastrup wrote:
So Graham organized the infrastructure where this would not easily
happen again in the same manner, and the Contributor's Guide reflects
it.
But we haven't exactly seen a flurry of patches from newcomers appearing
on the lists. Of course, part of the reas
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Janek Warchoł writes:
>
>> Other things that are worth looking at are:
>> - gitorious
>> - gerrit
>> - something else i've forgotten?
>
> You may want to study
>
> - plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
> ie, use git the way it was designed
Hi,
to make things clear: i do not intend to attack anyone personally, or
imply that anyone has bad will or malicious intentions. I only want
to explain how the situation looks like from my point of view.
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes :
> Janek wrote:
>>2013/9/26 Phil Holmes :
>> > Good luck. Let me gi
Janek Warchoł writes:
> Other things that are worth looking at are:
> - gitorious
> - gerrit
> - something else i've forgotten?
You may want to study
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
creators (linux
- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling"
To: "David Kastrup" ; "Janek Warchoł"
Cc: "Phil Holmes" ; "LilyPond Development Team"
; "Graham Percival"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: improv
On 26/09/13 12:26, David Kastrup wrote:
The dean is annoyed: "Why can't you be like the mathematicians? They
just need pencils, paper, and a wastebasket and will work for years.
And the philosophers don't even need a wastebasket..."
Not any more, either for mathematicians or philosophers ... :
Janek Warchoł writes:
> 2013/9/26 Phil Holmes :
>> - Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł"
>>
>>> In a truly Grahamic spirit, i'm going to focus on this issue and not
>>> participate in anything else on the mailing list until we're done
>>> (with the exception of Tie Crusade which i ho
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "Phil Holmes"
Cc: "LilyPond Development Team" ; "David Kastrup"
; "Joseph Wakeling" ; "Graham
Percival"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: improving our
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes :
> - Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł"
>
>> after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
>> doing things :-)
>>
>> David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
>> Other things that are worth looking at are:
>> - gitorious
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "LilyPond Development Team" ; "David Kastrup"
; "Joseph Wakeling" ; "Phil
Holmes" ; "Graham Percival"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: improving our contrib
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
I'm going to have a short break from LilyPond
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