Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-25 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG : >> Calling >>   perl scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl >> from lilypond-git directory says >>   Can't exec @PERL@ at scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl line 1. >> First line of that file reads >>   #!@PERL@ >> >> Strange... > > Well, the perl script gets `massaged', and the @PERL@ construct g

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> By the way, how to call mf with changed output directory? I tried >> mf '\mode:=proof; input feta-noteheads20'-output-directory=../build >> and >> mf '\mode:=proof; -output-directory="../build" input feta-noteheads20' >> but both failed... > > It fails for me too... I've just reported this to

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Calling > perl scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl > from lilypond-git directory says > Can't exec @PERL@ at scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl line 1. > First line of that file reads > #!@PERL@ > > Strange... Well, the perl script gets `massaged', and the @PERL@ construct gets replaced with a real path to the

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG : > >> mf2pt1: command not found > > Ah, sorry, the script is in /scripts/build, so you should > say > >  perl /path/to/lilypond/src/directory/scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl ... Calling perl scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl from lilypond-git directory says Can't exec @PERL@ at scripts

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> mf2pt1: command not found Ah, sorry, the script is in /scripts/build, so you should say perl /path/to/lilypond/src/directory/scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl ... > Or would it provide some important information? Yes, what mf2pt1 produces shows the exact outlines of the font. This is always good to

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> By the way, how to call mf with changed output directory? I tried > mf '\mode:=proof; input feta-noteheads20'-output-directory=../build > and > mf '\mode:=proof; -output-directory="../build" input feta-noteheads20' > but both failed... It fails for me too... I've just reported this to the TeXLi

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG : >>> In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a >>> `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'.  It doesn't >>> help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the >>> rasterized output of `mf', but it nicely shows the construction

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a >> `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'.  It doesn't >> help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the >> rasterized output of `mf', but it nicely shows the construction >> points (if possible). > >

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/23 Werner LEMBERG : > >> umm... DVI output?  I've searched the manuals and didn't found how >> to achieve it :/ > > In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a > `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'.  It doesn't help > to get the exact outline since it is

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/23 Carl Sorensen : > > Well, you could call calc_length to get the stem length, since you have the > stem grob in the form of me, i.e. > > Real length = robust_scm2double (me->calc_length (smob)); > > If you want to, you could try adding a saved value for the length so you > don't have to ma

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> umm... DVI output? I've searched the manuals and didn't found how > to achieve it :/ In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'. It doesn't help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the rasterized outpu

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/22/11 5:38 PM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > W dniu 22 stycznia 2011 19:06 użytkownik Carl Sorensen > napisał: >> On 1/22/11 10:59 AM, "Janek Warchoł" >> wrote: > Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach > different versions of flags to the stems. >> >> Look in

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> And there is one more thing - is it a bug in font sources? When i change > total_depth# = 3.5 staff_space# - blot_diameter# / 2; > to > total_depth# = 3 staff_space# - blot_diameter# / 2; > (in definition of u4 flag, line 163 of feta-flags.mf), i get the > output in attachment. I've tried other v

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/22/11 10:59 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2011/1/22 Phil Holmes : >> - Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł" >> >> >>> Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach >>> different versions of flags to the stems. >> Look in lily/stem.cc. Method Stem::calc_flag

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/22 Phil Holmes : > - Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł" > > >> Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach >> different versions of flags to the stems. > >> cheers, >> Janek > > Is this too simple for what you're discussing? > > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/It

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł" Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach different versions of flags to the stems. cheers, Janek Is this too simple for what you're discussing? http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=678 -- Phil Holmes __

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
> On 1/22/11 1:37 AM, "Janek Warchoł" > wrote: >> it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf >> directory, the changes to the font are not made W dniu 22 stycznia 2011 15:42 użytkownik Carl Sorensen napisał: > I do > rm mf/out/* > make > when I want to rebuild fonts. 2011

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/22/11 1:37 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > Hi, > > after fixing my problems with virtualBox (again...) i'm trying to > implement the changes i suggested long ago and test them. > Unfortunately i have 2 problems: > - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf > directory,

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 22.01.2011 10:07, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running make all from /build, and compiling a file with binary found in build/out/bin/, the pdf output remains the same) Pe

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf > directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running > make all from /build, and compiling a file with binary found in > build/out/bin/, the pdf output remains the same) Perhaps there are missing dependencies i

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, after fixing my problems with virtualBox (again...) i'm trying to implement the changes i suggested long ago and test them. Unfortunately i have 2 problems: - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running m

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-31 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/31 Carl Sorensen : > > On 12/29/10 4:32 PM, "Janek Warchoł" > wrote: >> I prefer B because it is the most balanced one - the 16ths don't look >> cramped, and the 8ths don't look 'airy' when compared to 16ths >> (especially the beamed variant. I think that beamed and flagged stems >> of the

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-31 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/12/31 Carl Sorensen : > > I think I agree, but this rule does not agree with the engraving books. So > if we go this way we're breaking new ground. That makes me nervous. I > certainly wouldn't want to do this without get agreement from a larger > number of the core developers. Hi! Sorry

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/29/10 4:32 PM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2010/12/29 Carl Sorensen : >> In such a case, there are different standards, we apply both, with a >> variable to choose between the different behaviors.  That's why we have >> different accidental behaviors. > > And that's very good indeed! But s

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-29 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/29/10 1:23 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2010/12/28 Carl Sorensen >> >> On 12/28/10 12:28 PM, "Janek Warchoł" >> wrote: >> > > Maybe. But from what i've heard, there are few things that actually > can be called standards. I heards that engraving books don't agree > with each other qu

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/28/10 12:28 PM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2010/12/27 Han-Wen Nienhuys >> Why don't you try to find some scans of reputable editions to see what >> the standard behavior is in this case? > > Because i believe the situation is quite different. > Would it be feasible for an engraver to have d

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-28 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Han-Wen Nienhuys > Why don't you try to find some scans of reputable editions to see what > the standard behavior is in this case? Because i believe the situation is quite different. Would it be feasible for an engraver to have different flags for many different stem lengths? No, perha

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł : >> No, that is not my answer.  I don't have an answer yet.  But my current >> thought (without yet reviewing my engraving books) is "lengthen the stem". >> That is, I (tentatively) reject the idea that there is such thing as a >> smaller-than-regular-stem whose length is

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen : > On 12/27/10 9:01 AM, "Janek Warchoł" > wrote: >> i understand that your answer to this particular question is "compress >> the flag" in case of downstem notes :) > > No, that is not my answer.  I don't have an answer yet.  But my current > thought (without yet reviewin

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 9:01 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen : > >>> Thanks for your answer :) >>> And please say what do you think about scaling those flags. >> >> So far, I don't know.  I want to see what the reference books have to say (I >> have copies of Stone, Ross, and Read in

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen : > On 12/27/10 7:38 AM, "Janek Warchoł" > wrote: >> That's exactly what i expect! I'll try to solve it, as hard as i can. >> (The only thing that worries me is that my programming skills are not >> high... i only hope that i picked an issue that is not very difficult >> t

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 7:38 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > 2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen : >> Janek, >> >> I appreciate your work.  And I appreciate your raising the issue. >> (...) [But] >> The *only* way for you to guarantee it is solved is for *you* to do the work. > > That's exactly what i expect! I'll try t

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen : > Janek, > > I appreciate your work.  And I appreciate your raising the issue. > (...) [But] > The *only* way for you to guarantee it is solved is for *you* to do the work. That's exactly what i expect! I'll try to solve it, as hard as i can. (The only thing that worries

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 James Lowe : > > 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł : > > "the same kind of discussion" - do you mean that it's bad idea to > > touch this issue because it will lead to pointless academical > > disputes? > > No not at all, I was merely point out that this had already been discussed so > that you

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 6:53 AM, "Janek Warchoł" wrote: > W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James Lowe > napisał: >> >>> 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł : >>> - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, >> >> Janek, >> >> See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-04/msg00085.h

RE: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread James Lowe
Janek, From: Janek Warchoł [lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 December 2010 13:53 To: James Lowe Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James Lowe napisał: > > > 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł : > > - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, > > Janek, > > See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-04/msg00085.html > > I believe this is the same kind of discussion for

RE: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread James Lowe
, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement Hi all, There is a problem with LilyPond default output that i want to discuss. Look at the attachment1: - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, --- See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/20