Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

2020-10-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jean, > Out of curiosity, did you ever try teaching or in any way introducing > LilyPond to your students? I have introduced a huge number of people (mostly students) to Lilypond: every time I am asked to give a guest lecture at a university composition department, I make sure I explicitly hig

LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

2020-10-24 Thread Jean Abou Samra
[Starting a new thread to avoid hijacking the other one.] Le 24/10/2020 à 17:09, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : More to the point: I’m a Lilypond power-user, and I don’t currently suggest Lilypond for any of my college or private students. If there were a free, web-accessible, "code-free" GUI for

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jean, > If that aspect is more important than GUI note entry, another option > would be to host an OverLeaf instance on your college's server > (see https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf), install LilyPond > and the lyLuaTeX package there, and use with LuaLaTeX. This thread has been a real eye-

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Martin, >> If there were an open-source version of this, I think it would make huge >> inroads in the music education field. > Maybe a bit contentious of mine, but why would an open-source license help in > its success? Because we (the community) could offer a turn-key, no-cost [up front, a

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-24 Thread Martín Rincón Botero
> This is exactly the kind of thing I’m thinking about! That’s what I thought :-). > If there were an open-source version of this, I think it would make huge > inroads in the music education field. Maybe a bit contentious of mine, but why would an open-source license help in its success? Cheer

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Martín, > I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but > https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI for > Lilypond. This is exactly the kind of thing I’m thinking about! If there were an open-source version of this, I think it would make hu

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-24 Thread Martín Rincón Botero
Hi Kieren, I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but  https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI for Lilypond. Some of its functionality is only available in the paid version, though. Perhaps it’s an alternative. Cheers, Martín. www.martin

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Andrew, > Is it that you want more than one person to edit the LilyPond source > simultaneously? Not literally simultaneously… but "at the same time" (q.v. Lilybin). That is, we could be on Zoom (or whatever) talking about the music, and the student and I could alternately edit and save the

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Karlin, > I'm understanding this use case wants... > * No-code GUI music entry > * Runs in a web browser > * Allows collaborative editing Right. > I'm having trouble imagining what "collaborative editing" would look like in > a "No-code GUI." Something like PDF commenting? Has anything like

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Karlin High
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > The app/site *must* allow entry of notes using either a MIDI keyboard or a > "Quick Entry" (mouse-click) type UI; drag-and-drop would obviously be a > bonus, but is hardly necessary. > > in a “perfect” wor

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Andrew Bernard
I don't think this concept is feasible without a mammoth effort of work. However, this may pique your interest Keiran: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2018/03/web-midi-api/ Nothing is impossible. Is it that you want more than one person to edit the LilyPond source simultaneously? Sounds like a

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Jahrme Risner
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 13:35, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Jonas, > >> Proper collaboration tools aren't easy either, but there are solutions >> like Etherpad. It's open and can be enhanced with plugins, so would a >> collaborative text editor with a (possibly autorefreshing) preview from >> Li

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jonas, > Proper collaboration tools aren't easy either, but there are solutions > like Etherpad. It's open and can be enhanced with plugins, so would a > collaborative text editor with a (possibly autorefreshing) preview from > LilyPond constitute as a GUI for your scenario? The app/site *must

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Freitag, den 23.10.2020, 10:34 +0200 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: > Le 23/10/2020 à 02:45, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > I’m teaching a musical theatre creation course at a college. I’ve been > > teaching the course for about 4 years, but the philosophy recently changed > > from

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread James Lowe
On 23/10/2020 09:34, Jean Abou Samra wrote: If that aspect is more important than GUI note entry, another option would be to host an OverLeaf instance on your college's server (see https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf), install LilyPond and the lyLuaTeX package there, and use with LuaLaTeX. Th

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-23 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 23/10/2020 à 02:45, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : Hi all, I’m teaching a musical theatre creation course at a college. I’ve been teaching the course for about 4 years, but the philosophy recently changed from one where I was a co-creator with the students (and hence did all of the engraving

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Andrew, > Oh, I see, the key point is you want _collaborative_ editing. That's a > hole other kettle of fish. Yes. We collaboratively edit their scripts and other documents through Google Docs. Now I want to be able to collaboratively work on their scores with them, without the need for email

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-22 Thread Andrew Bernard
Oh, I see, the key point is you want _collaborative_ editing. That's a hole other kettle of fish. Andrew On 23/10/2020 11:45 am, Kieren MacMillan wrote: How difficult would it be to build a “Quick Note Entry” GUI that could work on a served copy of Lilypond?

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-22 Thread Andrew Bernard
What is the point? What is wrong with the desktop programs? I don't follow. If they have online access, don't they already have a computer? Pardon me asking. Andrew On 23/10/2020 11:45 am, Kieren MacMillan wrote: How difficult would it be to build a “Quick Note Entry” GUI that could work on

feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

2020-10-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, I’m teaching a musical theatre creation course at a college. I’ve been teaching the course for about 4 years, but the philosophy recently changed from one where I was a co-creator with the students (and hence did all of the engraving for our collaborative songs) to a more traditional in