Re: build system work

2011-03-10 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-10 02:56 AM, John Mandereau wrote: How much interest is there in having a very general picture (possibly without quoting directly the makefiles) about the stepmake layer (i.e. makefiles build, recursive make (both inside same directory and in dubdirectories)), about the flaws (and desire

Re: build system work

2011-03-10 Thread John Mandereau
Il giorno gio, 10/03/2011 alle 12.25 +, Graham Percival ha scritto: > IMO > > $(outdir)/%.gif: %.xpm > xpmtoppm $< | ppmtogif > $@ > > counts as "difficult". Right, it's not complicated but as you pointed out it's cryptic. > So does > > ls $(OUT)/$$l/*.html | xargs

Re: build system work

2011-03-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:56:01AM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: > Il giorno ven, 04/03/2011 alle 12.16 +, Graham Percival ha scritto: > > There is widespread dissatisfaction with our current build system. > > Replacing it is estimated to take at least 200 hours, but that's a > > total shot in t

Re: build system work

2011-03-10 Thread John Mandereau
Il giorno ven, 04/03/2011 alle 12.16 +, Graham Percival ha scritto: > There is widespread dissatisfaction with our current build system. > Replacing it is estimated to take at least 200 hours, but that's a > total shot in the dark. However, a few people have expressed interest > in working on

Re: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/3/5 Graham Percival : > On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 01:37:04PM +0100, Jan Warchoł wrote: >> 2011/3/4 Graham Percival : >> > PS I'm fairly certain that at the moment, all "needs_work" issues >> > do not have any "more recent" drafts that you need to look at. >> >> Doesn't http://code.google.com/p/l

Re: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 01:37:04PM +0100, Jan Warchoł wrote: > 2011/3/4 Graham Percival : > > PS I'm fairly certain that at the moment, all "needs_work" issues > > do not have any "more recent" drafts that you need to look at. > > Doesn't http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1541 > h

RE: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread James Lowe
: build system work On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:38:19AM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 3/4/11 11:09 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > > > On 11-03-04 10:54 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > >> On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > >> > >>

Re: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Francisco Vila" To: "Graham Percival" Cc: "Lily devel" ; "Phil Holmes" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Re: build system work 2011/3/4 Graham Percival : > To that end, I've just added a new C

Re: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/3/4 Graham Percival : > PS I'm fairly certain that at the moment, all "needs_work" issues > do not have any "more recent" drafts that you need to look at. Doesn't http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1541 have a new draft? (with fixed indentation) http://codereview.appspot.com/

Re: build system work

2011-03-05 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Carl Sorensen" Cc: "Lily devel" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:05 PM Subject: Re: build system work On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:38:19AM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 3/4/11 11:09 AM, "Colin Campbe

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 10:23:36PM -0700, Colin Campbell wrote: > Actually, and before I go stepping on toes in all directions, I > wouldn't mind some guidance on a couple of things, please. CG 12.2 > Meisters describes the Frog Meister as being responsible for code > patches from (relatively) ine

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-04 02:09 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:43:19PM -0700, Colin Campbell wrote: On 11-03-04 01:05 PM, Graham Percival wrote: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/patch-handling For the sake of keeping an eye on the issues list, looking for "patc

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/4/11 1:05 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:38:19AM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> On 3/4/11 11:09 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: >> >>> On 11-03-04 10:54 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > > [subject: wiki or not?] > >

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:43:19PM -0700, Colin Campbell wrote: > On 11-03-04 01:05 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > >http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/patch-handling > > > For the sake of keeping an eye on the issues list, looking for > "patch-review" then applying the test as li

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-04 01:05 PM, Graham Percival wrote: Oh, there _is_ one way: if more people took on more of my current duties, I'd have more time left in my 10 hours, and could thus spend more time helping this process. The biggest/easiest time sink for me right now is checking and bestowing Patch-revi

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:38:19AM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 3/4/11 11:09 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > > > On 11-03-04 10:54 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > >> On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > >> [subject: wiki or not?] > >>> I'm the noob here, so I'll defer to greater wisdom.

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/4/11 11:09 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > On 11-03-04 10:54 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: >> >>> I'm the noob here, so I'll defer to greater wisdom. A couple of >>> thoughts do occur, though: using the CG to collect discoveries, insights >>> etc. h

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-04 10:54 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: On 11-03-04 05:55 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: "Lily devel" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:50

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/4/11 10:31 AM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: > On 11-03-04 05:55 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: >> - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" >> >> To: "Phil Holmes" >> Cc: "Lily devel" >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 20

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-04 09:23 AM, Francisco Vila wrote: 2011/3/4 Graham Percival: To that end, I've just added a new CG 12 Build system notes. The goal is to have a "wiki-like" dump of whatever info we suspect about the build system. Does that include the _doc_ build system? I'll take the liberty of rep

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-03-04 05:55 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: "Lily devel" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Re: build system work On 3/4/11, Phil Holmes wrote: I'm wondering whether w

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/3/4 Graham Percival : > To that end, I've just added a new CG 12 Build system notes.  The goal > is to have a "wiki-like" dump of whatever info we suspect about the > build system. Does that include the _doc_ build system? -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: "Lily devel" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Re: build system work On 3/4/11, Phil Holmes wrote: I'm wondering whether we should actually start with a real Wiki -

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Graham Percival
On 3/4/11, Phil Holmes wrote: > I'm wondering whether we should actually start with a real Wiki - like the > one used for the regtests. Doing this would mean that any work done would > be immediately visible, rather than having to pull git and make docs, which > would save me oodles of time (a te

Re: build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Lily devel" Cc: "Phil Holmes" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:16 PM Subject: build system work There is widespread dissatisfaction with our current build system. Replacing it is estimated to take at

build system work

2011-03-04 Thread Graham Percival
There is widespread dissatisfaction with our current build system. Replacing it is estimated to take at least 200 hours, but that's a total shot in the dark. However, a few people have expressed interest in working on this. IMO, such a project should begin by figuring out what the current build s