Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 5 Apr 2009, at 20:48, wrote: Dont have the OED handy, this library is very small and lacks a copy, but the dictionary in my mac and the larger one from the shelf both give narrow definitions for the entry 'concert pitch', eg, a=440, internationally agreed on, the pitch at which orchestral

Re: Off topic, Was: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 5 Apr 2009, at 20:15, Mats Bengtsson wrote: A flute playing friend of mine once demonstrated what happens if you drink a bear just before you play and all of a sudden a burp increases the proportion of carbon dioxide in the breathing air significantly, resulting in a much lower pitch.

Re: Off topic, Was: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread demery
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009, Mats Bengtsson said: > A flute playing friend of mine once demonstrated what happens if you > drink a bear LOL I envision Brutus sitting on a keg, playing the flute and passing gas from both ends. SKOAL! -- Dana Emery ___

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread demery
> I think a problem with those sections is that they mix several > different concepts in a jumble. yes. Dont have the OED handy, this library is very small and lacks a copy, but the dictionary in my mac and the larger one from the shelf both give narrow definitions for the entry 'concert pitch'

Off topic, Was: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Hans Aberg wrote: The speed of sound in gases is (roughly) proportional to the square-root of the absolute temperature. Figures used the speed of sound v_0 in air at 0℃ varies a bit in the range from 331.2 to 331.8 m/s perhaps. This gives the formula at absolute temperature T v = sqrt(T/27

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:20, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: 1.311 transposing instrument ..., the speed of sound in air is 343m/s,... This is only true at about 19.6℃ (degrees Celsius): The temperature of the air in the human blown instrument is higher, clearly. If I quickly measure my flute with

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:20, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: If anybody can improve on those entries I'm all ears, otherwise can somebody update the glossary? For the most part, I've just been far more pedantic, but the existing bit about the trombone is, I'm sorry, just plain wrong! I think a pro

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes On Sat, Apr 4, 2009, "Anthony W. Youngman" said: Okay, I think I can modify this to a definitive version now ... sorry for my tactless reply earlier, I should have checked the present text rather than assume you were quoting it. 1.64 concert pit

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-04 Thread demery
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009, "Anthony W. Youngman" said: > Okay, I think I can modify this to a definitive version now ... sorry for my tactless reply earlier, I should have checked the present text rather than assume you were quoting it. >>>1.64 concert pitch >>> >>>The pitch at which the piano and ot

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , Anthony W. Youngman writes In message , Anthony W. Youngman writes Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) Replying to myself ... Just in case anyone didn't realise (and I certainly didn't make myself clear :-) these are my revised ve

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Paul Scott
On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message <7ca3d5a30904031519ya3b89hb87cf8f81a544...@mail.gmail.com>, Neil Puttock writes 2009/4/3 Anthony W. Youngman : In message , Anthony W. Youngman writes Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:49 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Mostly correct, except that Holton is a brand. There are many double horns that are not Holtons. You're right! I took private horn lessons almost 20 years ago, playing a school instrument which was a Holton. My teacher explained

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Paul Scott
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) 1.64 concert pitch The pitch at which the piano and other non-transposing instruments play, such music is said to be 'in C'. Officially, it is defined as "A = 440", meaning that the

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <7ca3d5a30904031519ya3b89hb87cf8f81a544...@mail.gmail.com>, Neil Puttock writes 2009/4/3 Anthony W. Youngman : In message , Anthony W. Youngman writes Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) Replying to myself ... Just in case anyone di

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <49d68906.5000...@ultrasw.com>, Paul Scott writes 1.311 transposing instrument Instruments whose notated pitch is different from concert pitch. Most of these instruments are identified in their name by their fundamental pitch - this being the note whose wavelength is equal to lengt

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/4/3 Anthony W. Youngman : > In message , Anthony W. Youngman > writes >> >> Ow! >> >> Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know >> :-) > > Replying to myself ... Just in case anyone didn't realise (and I certainly > didn't make myself clear :-) these are my rev

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Mostly correct, except that Holton is a brand. There are many double horns that are not Holtons. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Aaron Andrew Hunt wrote: > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:49 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: >> >> But I've never come across "Bb French Horn in F"! Bear in mind the >>

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Aaron Andrew Hunt
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:49 PM, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: But I've never come across "Bb French Horn in F"! Bear in mind the French Horn is an orchestral instrument and I'm not an orchestral trombone player, but what I understood is *supposed* to happen is that the horn player whips out h

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:43:24PM +0100, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > > (Obviously, if you give a Bb cornet player a double-Eb Bass, he'll have > a lot of difficulty actually playing it... Speak for yourself... ;-) -- Cameron Horsburgh Blog: http://spiritcry.wordpress.com/ ___

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , Anthony W. Youngman writes Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) Replying to myself ... Just in case anyone didn't realise (and I certainly didn't make myself clear :-) these are my revised versions that I think should replace the ex

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , Han-Wen Nienhuys writes To add some confusion, some instruments are named by the tuning of their fundamental (B-flat trombone, B-flat french horn), but players commonly read from parts written in different transpositions, for example C (trombone) or F (French Horn) Hmmm ... Obvi

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message , dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes On Fri, Apr 3, 2009, "Anthony W. Youngman" said: Sorry, reading this was painful agreed. 1.64 concert pitch Ensembles must agree on a temperament and a pitch standard if they are to be tuned agreeably. Equal temperament is usual for the full

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
To add some confusion, some instruments are named by the tuning of their fundamental (B-flat trombone, B-flat french horn), but players commonly read from parts written in different transpositions, for example C (trombone) or F (French Horn) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > On Fri, Apr

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread demery
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009, "Anthony W. Youngman" said: > Sorry, reading this was painful agreed. > 1.64 concert pitch Ensembles must agree on a temperament and a pitch standard if they are to be tuned agreeably. Equal temperament is usual for the full orchestra with winds, piano, and strings which

Re: Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 03.04.2009 um 19:20 schrieb Anthony W. Youngman: Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) 1.64 concert pitch The pitch at which the piano and other non-transposing instruments play, such music is said to be 'in C'. Officially, it is defined as

Music Glossary - 1.64 Concert Pitch (2.12.2)

2009-04-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
Ow! Sorry, reading this was painful (I play the trombone, as many of you know :-) 1.64 concert pitch The pitch at which the piano and other non-transposing instruments play, such music is said to be 'in C'. Officially, it is defined as "A = 440", meaning that the note A in the treble clef i