Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12) Hi, I haven't heard anything anymore: is this the final release text? I would translate it now, if there are no changes coming. Till Trevor Daniels wrote: I've folded in this and all the o

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

nfo/lilypond-devel > > - * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LilyPond-Hilfe auch auf deutsch im http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php LilyPond-Forum . -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lilypond-code-feature-freeze-for-2.12-tp19590158p20050600.html

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

We are already cross building python for windows & linux. We didn't cross build python for mac, since mac has python 2.3 by default. Maybe we should look into it now. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008/09/29 16:46 +0200, Valentin Villenave wrot

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

2008/9/29 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just try building GUB yourself :-P I don't have an exact answer, but > cross-compiling LilyPond main program itself is not easy, > cross-compiling Python is another challenge. Hm, I meant including a *binary* of course. Python has been known to be

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/29 16:46 +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: > 2008/9/29 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > we don't ship Python in MacOS binaries. > > Just a (silly) question btw: why don't we? Can't we? Won't we? Just try building GUB yourself :-P I don't have an exact answer, but cross-compiling

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

2008/9/29 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't understand the point; warning the user is better than printing a > Python traceback, isn't it? Using the right Python version for our > scripts among those installed is another issue, which we can only deal > with in the documentation, as we

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/22 23:19 +0200, Matthias Neeracher wrote: > On Sep 22, 2008, at 23:13 , John Mandereau wrote: > > Thanks, but we can check Python version from Python scripts > > themselves, > > before importing the problematic modules: > > > The risk there is that if you do that, you can't modify the

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/20 18:46 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > I really think we should rename ly/*.ly files so that all -init > files are loaded automatically and all non-init files are optional > \include files. I never spoked up before on this, but I definitely agree. I'm working on this, and I guess I

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

John Mandereau pisze: > On 2008/09/24 19:02 +0300, Till Rettig wrote: > >> I would also translate the text, is the wiki a good place for that? >> > > It's a good place to do and polish the translation Polish translations or polish the translations? ___

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

On 2008/09/24 19:02 +0300, Till Rettig wrote: > I would also translate the text, is the wiki a good place for that? It's a good place to do and polish the translation; IMHO it should go to lilypond.org, but I'm not sure about including all translations in the email to info-lilypond list. > Will

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

I would also translate the text, is the wiki a good place for that? Will this text be also in the news items? John, could you create an account in the wiki for me? Thanks Till Francisco Vila schrieb: I'd like to translate the release notes into Spanish, as soon as a final version exists. This

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Carl Sorensen Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:31 PM Trevor Daniels treda.co.uk> writes: John Mandereau > On 2008/09/22, Matthias Neeracher wrote: >> From: "Trevor Daniels" treda.co.uk> >> > Do we -really- want to issue a new stable release >> > containing masses of syntax changes with a bro

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Trevor Daniels treda.co.uk> writes: > > > John Mandereau > > > On 2008/09/22, Matthias Neeracher wrote: > >> From: "Trevor Daniels" treda.co.uk> > >> > Do we -really- want to issue a new stable release > >> > containing masses of syntax changes with a broken > >> > convert-ly for many Mac use

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Han-Wen Nienhuys Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:48 AM I recently fixed the last bug on my todo list (tied completion heads). This means that we should start thinking about releasing 2.12. * How are the release notes coming along? * Also, I should update the build scripts to use texi2html. That

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

John Mandereau On 2008/09/22, Matthias Neeracher wrote: From: "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Do we -really- want to issue a new stable release > containing masses of syntax changes with a broken > convert-ly for many Mac users? The MacOS Python pages

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

2008/9/23 Francisco Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'd like to translate the release notes into Spanish, as soon as a > final version exists. This could go in the wiki and a link could point > to it. Last attached version from Trevor is translated provisionally at: http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

I'd like to translate the release notes into Spanish, as soon as a final version exists. This could go in the wiki and a link could point to it. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gn

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

l Message - > From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Carl D. Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Trevor Daniels" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lily-devel" &g

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

; Cc: "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lily-devel" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12) On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Carl D. Sor

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 23. September 2008 schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't. Yes, fret diagrams are very important to guitar players. > >> But dodecaphonic accidentals are very

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't. Yes, fret diagrams are very important to guitar players. >> But dodecaphonic accidentals are very important to twelve-tone >> composers. Harp pedals are very important to harpists. Arbitrary >> microtonal a

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

On 9/22/08 5:54 PM, "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:16 -0600 > "Carl D. Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 9/22/08 4:39 PM, "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Here's a version with fret diagrams, Reinhold's >>> suggestion and a fe

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:16 -0600 "Carl D. Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/22/08 4:39 PM, "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here's a version with fret diagrams, Reinhold's > > suggestion and a few other tweaks. Is this > > better? > > > I like it I don't. Yes, fret

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:08:29 -0300 "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, John Mandereau > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The conversion rules written with decorator syntax. It's certainly > > a lot easier and faster to revert this change and write th

Re: Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

Here's a version with fret diagrams, Reinhold's > suggestion and a few other tweaks. Is this > better? > > Trevor > > - Original Message - > From: "Carl D. Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Trevor Daniels&quo

Release text (was Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12)

: "lily-devel" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12 On 9/22/08 9:49 AM, "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was referring to Joe's page breaking, which will put page breaks in sane places for

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sep 22, 2008, at 23:13 , John Mandereau wrote: On 2008/09/22, Matthias Neeracher wrote: In VocalEasel, I have some code which tests for the presence of python 2.4 and if not found shows an alert taking the user to the download page; I'd be happy to donate this to lilypond, but it's writte

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/22, Matthias Neeracher wrote: > From: "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Do we -really- want to issue a new stable release > > containing masses of syntax changes with a broken > > convert-ly for many Mac users? > > The MacOS Python pages actu

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 9/22/08 9:49 AM, "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was referring to Joe's page breaking, which will put page breaks in > sane places for multipage pieces, but I was mistaken. We shipped it > in 2.10. I'm not sure if we more earthshattering changes beyond gdp > and skylini

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Trevor Daniels: > a huge number of bugs have been fixed, and countless >  exciting new features have been implemented. I would reverse these, so that the positive thing (new feature) comes before the bug fixes (w

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

From: "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Mandereau Monday, September 22, 2008 12:02 AM On 2008/09/20 18:49 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: Forgot something: we should probably add warnings in the docs (or the download page) about the sorry state of OSX. 10.4 and 10.3: broken lilypond-bo

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Done; attached. Trevor - Original Message - From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lily-devel" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

I'd drop Translation teams have also been working hard everywhere in the world: Since we can't decide which ones you'll enjoy the most, - Page-breaking has been improved with a new function designed to help with the production of books with many pages or lots of text, and the manual contro

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Han-Wen Nienhuys Monday, September 22, 2008 3:50 PM On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've read plenty of release announcements, but my reaction is different -- marketing make feel greasy and icky. I had five years of training to be as precise as po

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Google analytics says that 30% of macos visitors are on PPC; analytics does not distinguish between os versions. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen _

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The conversion rules written with decorator syntax. It's certainly a >> lot easier and faster to revert this change and write the syntax rules >> added after this change than shipping Python 2.4 with Darwin-PPC >> bi

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> can someone refresh my mind? I'm generally against catering for >> broken/old platforms, but maybe we can make an exception for >> convert-ly ; what broke for python 2.4 ? > > The conversion rules written with decorat

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote Monday, September 22, 2008 3:45 PM On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:02 PM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 10.4 and 10.3: broken lilypond-book and convert-ly. The broken convert-ly is particularly unfortunate given the syntax changes between 2.10 and 2.12. These Py

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/22 11:45 -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:02 PM, John Mandereau > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These Python scripts require Python 2.4, which is not provided in 10.3 > > and 10.4; ideally we should cross-compile Python and ship it in GUB > > binaries, but it c

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've read plenty of release announcements, but my reaction is >> different -- marketing make feel greasy and icky. I had five >> years of training to be as precise as possible in my analytic >> philosophy degree; I h

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:02 PM, John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 10.4 and 10.3: broken lilypond-book and convert-ly. The broken >> convert-ly is particularly unfortunate given the syntax changes between >> 2.10 and 2.12. > > These Python scripts require Python 2.4, which is not provi

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

John Mandereau Monday, September 22, 2008 12:02 AM On 2008/09/20 18:49 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: Forgot something: we should probably add warnings in the docs (or the download page) about the sorry state of OSX. 10.4 and 10.3: broken lilypond-book and convert-ly. The broken convert-ly i

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Monday, September 22, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12 2008/9/22 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I've read plenty of release announcements, but my reaction is different -- marketing make feel greasy and icky. I had five years of training to be as pr

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

2008/9/22 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've read plenty of release announcements, but my reaction is > different -- marketing make feel greasy and icky. I had five > years of training to be as precise as possible in my analytic > philosophy degree; I hate empty phrases like "50 new feat

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:29:25 +0200 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008/09/21 02:30 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > > Again, I had that initially, but removed it due to length > > considerations. The syntax changes for every new release, and > > it's listed in the NEWS, so I think

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:09:05 +0200 "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/21 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Let me put it this way: when you read an announcement of a new > > release in some other software (say, audacity or freeciv), how > > much do you want to read?

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:02:32 +0200 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only solution on short term is asking users to install Python 2.4 > or 2.5 manually; IIRC Python scripts and/or their wrappers also need > to be edited to make them call the right Python, don't they? Yes. Point us

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

> Any other thoughts? Any chance Neil's "double repeat sign" patch can be approved for 2.12? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-09/msg00084.html - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gn

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/20 18:49 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > Forgot something: we should probably add warnings in the docs (or the > download page) about the sorry state of OSX. > 10.4 and 10.3: broken lilypond-book and convert-ly. The broken > convert-ly is particularly unfortunate given the syntax chang

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On 2008/09/21 02:30 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:56:47 +0200 > "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - and possibly mention the fact that we have changed (simplified) the > > syntax quite a bit? > > Again, I had that initially, but removed it due to length >

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

2008/9/21 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Let me put it this way: when you read an announcement of a new > release in some other software (say, audacity or freeciv), how > much do you want to read? My guess is less than a page of text. > The current release is two pages. It definitely sho

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:56:47 +0200 "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rune was a computer programmer, a musician and a valued > contributor to LilyPond. He had been enthusiastically involved > in the project for the past six years, and he will be missed among > our community. Tha

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

2008/9/21 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Waiting for Valentin to fill in info about Rune. Yes, I haven't forgotten, though I really don't know what to say. I'd propose something very neutral based on what you gave me, such as: We are proud to announce the release of GNU/LilyPond 2.12 "

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Thanks Graham... will take a look. Josh On Sep 20, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:16:28 -0700 Josh Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 20, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Graham Percival wrote: 10.5: broken GUI. (IIRC) Pardon me for asking (as I am sure this h

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:16:28 -0700 Josh Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 20, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > > 10.5: broken GUI. (IIRC) > > Pardon me for asking (as I am sure this has been beaten to death > already)... but I am new to LilyPond, and am wondering if I

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sep 20, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:48:53 -0300 "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recently fixed the last bug on my todo list (tied completion heads). This means that we should start thinking about releasing 2.12. Forgot something: we s

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:48:53 -0300 "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I recently fixed the last bug on my todo list (tied completion heads). > This means that we should start thinking about releasing 2.12. Forgot something: we should probably add warnings in the docs (or the downlo

Re: Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:48:53 -0300 "Han-Wen Nienhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * How are the release notes coming along? Waiting for Valentin to fill in info about Rune. > Any other thoughts? I really think we should rename ly/*.ly files so that all -init files are loaded automatically and

Lilypond code/feature freeze for 2.12

Hi, I recently fixed the last bug on my todo list (tied completion heads). This means that we should start thinking about releasing 2.12. * How are the release notes coming along? * Also, I should update the build scripts to use texi2html. That is something I will focus on for 2.11.60. Any othe