Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
id earlier that this is a more fundamental problem. Trevor - Original Message - From: "Carl Sorensen" To: "Trevor Daniels" ; "Neil Puttock" ; "Patrick McCarty" Cc: "lilypond-devel" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:25 PM Subject:

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/10/09 4:23 PM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > > Carl, you wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 10:58 PM >> Can you express in words a rule that describes why >> >> a8 a a16[ a a8] a a a[ a16 a16] >> >> is better than >> >> a8[ a a16 a a8] a8[ a a a16 a] >> > > I can do no better than quote R

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
OK, I've found a setting that works *pretty well*, with one bad case: \relative c'' { \overrideBeamSettings #'Score #'(4 . 4) #'end #'((* . (1 1 1 1)) ((1 . 8) . (4 4))) a8 a a a a a a a | % OK \break a16 a a8 a a a a16 a a8 a | % OK now, was wrong, should be ... a16[ a a8] a a a[

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl, you wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 10:58 PM On 8/10/09 9:14 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: With all Carl's mods applied just the expected two inconsistencies remain: \relative c'' { a8 a a16 a a8 a a a a16 a | % wrong, should be ... a8 a a16[ a a8] a a a[ a16 a] | a32 a a16 a a

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/10/09 9:14 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > > Trevor Daniels wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 8:49 AM >> >> Neil Puttock wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:31 AM >> >> 2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : >> >>> I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns? I think >>> all of >>> your manu

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 8:49 AM Neil Puttock wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:31 AM 2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns? I think all of your manually-beamed patterns are correct though. Trevor's using the MinGW build I pos

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:31 AM 2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns? I think all of your manually-beamed patterns are correct though. Trevor's using the MinGW build I posted a few days ago, so it's missing Carl's last change

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : > I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns?  I think all of > your manually-beamed patterns are correct though. Trevor's using the MinGW build I posted a few days ago, so it's missing Carl's last changes to beam-settings.scm. Regards, Neil _

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:38:22PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Carl Sorensen wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:59 PM > > >Could the two of you please take some of these examples and beam > >them > >manually so that I can see what they *should* do? I'll then try > >to figure > >out why the au

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:59 PM Could the two of you please take some of these examples and beam them manually so that I can see what they *should* do? I'll then try to figure out why the autobeam engraver doesn't do it. Some explanation as to *why* it should work the w

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 8/9/09 1:56 PM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > > Patrick McCarty wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:36 AM > > >> On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:21:42PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: >>> >> >> Hmm, I just realized that the inconsistency still exists, even >> with my >> patch. Here's an example:

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Patrick McCarty wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:36 AM On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:21:42PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: Hmm, I just realized that the inconsistency still exists, even with my patch. Here's an example: \relative c'' { a8 a a a a8 a a a a16 a a8 a a a8 a16 a a

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:21:42PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: > > However, one of the most common complaints we've had is about the > default groupings for 4/4 time. Let me outline the evolution that > has taken place: > > 1) 2.12.3 >- 4 eighth notes that span from beat 1 through beat 2 (

Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hello, First of all, thanks go out to Carl and Trevor for reworking the autobeaming implementation. The new way of working with beam settings is greatly simplified now. However, one of the most common complaints we've had is about the default groupings for 4/4 time. Let me outline the evolution