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2006-04-05 Thread David Feuer
Does it really make sense to have a separate bug-lilypond list? David ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: why g++ 4.0?

2006-04-05 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > I believe there are issues with STL that we hacked workarounds for. We > want to loose the workarounds. Those are in 4.1; we'll probably have to hold off for a bit. I don't think it makes sense to demand a compiler version that is not necessary to have yet; better do t

Re: Generating empty staves

2006-04-05 Thread David Feuer
Also index entries using the word blank rather than empty. David Feuer ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Generating empty staves

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > [...], but I can't find out how to generate a sheet of empty > staves. > > Section 8.5.2 Blank music sheet Perhaps adding index entries, something like @cindex staves, empty, sheet @cindex sheet, empty staves @cindex empty staves, sheet Werner __

Re: why g++ 4.0?

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I believe there are issues with STL that we hacked workarounds for. We > want to loose the workarounds. Hmmm. Is this really of urgent importance? Well, I'll modify configure.in before compiling... Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lil

Re: beamed grace notes used in cues

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > I've fixed it by myself in the CVS :-) > > cool! don't forget to backport. How do I do this? Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Style

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Carl D. Sorensen wrote: [ideas for separate tweaks] Is this the kind of functionality you're after, David? And is this doable in lilypond? note that there is an even much more advanced mechanism for doing separate tweaks, with the -f gnome backend. Unfortunately, it has fallen into disuse.

Re: Postscript bug

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
David Feuer wrote: I think this patch should fix it. Changelog: * music-drawing-routines.ps (draw_round_box): removed testing artifact. (draw_circle): Hopefully fixed regression. Improved documentation for several procedures. thanks, applied. just a nitpick. Could you also add the 200

Re: Postscript bug

2006-04-05 Thread David Feuer
I think this patch should fix it. Changelog: * music-drawing-routines.ps (draw_round_box): removed testing artifact. (draw_circle): Hopefully fixed regression. Improved documentation for several procedures. David Feuer fix.diff Description: Binary data _

RE: Style

2006-04-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
I think there are two things that are getting mixed up in this discussion. The first is the general layout of the music (fonts, size, etc.) that can be taken care of by global tweaks, and included at the top of the .ly file. This capability is just fine. And I don't think that this is the issue

Re: Intel builds for Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: You are partially right. The graphical part is still powerpc. However, the real typesetting program (which you can find inside the .app folder) has been compiled for intel natively. If in doubt, you can try to measure the speed of the ppc version on your intel mac. Of

Re: Postscript bug

2006-04-05 Thread David Feuer
On 4/5/06, Erlend Aasland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi David, > > Your recent changes to the PS code makes all circles look rather weird (they > contain a straigt line from the center to the right of the circle, and the > circle itself is misplaced). I fixed this with the attached patch, but sin

Re: Intel builds for Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Joshua Parmenter wrote: Hi, The Intel builds listed here: http://lilypond.org/web/install/ appear to actually be for PPC. Both 2.8 and 2.9 show up as Applications(PowerPC) when get-info is done from the Finder, rather then Application(Universal) or Application(Intel). LiliPond runs okay un

Re: Generating empty staves

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Apr-06, at 3:21 PM, Seb James wrote: I've had a look at the tutorials for lilypond. The documentation is very good, but I can't find out how to generate a sheet of empty staves. Can anyone on the list offer a quick pointer or recipe to help me do this? Section 8.5.2 Blank music sheet -

Intel builds for Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Joshua Parmenter
Hi, The Intel builds listed here: http://lilypond.org/web/install/ appear to actually be for PPC. Both 2.8 and 2.9 show up as Applications(PowerPC) when get-info is done from the Finder, rather then Application(Universal) or Application(Intel). LiliPond runs okay under Rosetta, but I thou

Generating empty staves

2006-04-05 Thread Seb James
Hi there, I've had a look at the tutorials for lilypond. The documentation is very good, but I can't find out how to generate a sheet of empty staves. Can anyone on the list offer a quick pointer or recipe to help me do this? kind regards, Seb James -- Embedded Software Foundry Ltd. 'Embedded

Re: why g++ 4.0?

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Werner LEMBERG wrote: Why do you enforce g++ 4.0 for 2.9? My g++ 3.3.3 works just fine. I believe there are issues with STL that we hacked workarounds for. We want to loose the workarounds. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design --

Re: beamed grace notes used in cues

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Werner LEMBERG wrote: The bug report below surprisingly gives no warning. In real-life situations I get warning: junking event: `BeamEvent' \acciaccatura { f16[ g ] } Maybe there is a simple fix for it... I've fixed it by myself in the CVS :-) BTW, the above m

Re: Style

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Hansen (aka RickH)
Agree. But much of the style and markup must be applied to individual notes. A way to separate the syle from the data is what is needed. Notes are data, how the notes are displayed is style. So a means needs to be devised whereby the style and markup can be applied to a certain note OUTSID

Re: beamed grace notes used in cues

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> The bug report below surprisingly gives no warning. In real-life > situations I get > > warning: junking event: `BeamEvent' > \acciaccatura { f16[ g > ] } > > Maybe there is a simple fix for it... I've fixed it by myself in the CVS :-) BTW, the above message is

why g++ 4.0?

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Why do you enforce g++ 4.0 for 2.9? My g++ 3.3.3 works just fine. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Style

2006-04-05 Thread Stephen
- Original Message - From: "David Feuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lily-devel" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Style I'm sure someone has brought this up before, but I've been thinking a bit about the way users tweak output in Lilypond. As it is, tweaks are generally

Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)

2006-04-05 Thread Trevor Bača
On 4/5/06, Erlend Aasland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/5/06, Trevor Bača <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, actually perhaps a touch smaller. Can we run a couple of examples > > at maybe 20% less diameter and see? > > > Will do. I've just cleaned the build directory so I'll have to do a

Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)

2006-04-05 Thread Erlend Aasland
On 4/5/06, Trevor Bača <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, actually perhaps a touch smaller. Can we run a couple of examplesat maybe 20% less diameter and see?Will do. I've just cleaned the build directory so I'll have to do a recompile (I wont do that until tomorrow, have to work now...) I've attached

Postscript bug

2006-04-05 Thread Erlend Aasland
Hi David,Your recent changes to the PS code makes all circles look rather weird (they contain a straigt line from the center to the right of the circle, and the circle itself is misplaced). I fixed this with the attached patch, but since I'm not PS expert, perhaps you could verify that this look go

Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)

2006-04-05 Thread Trevor Bača
On 4/5/06, Erlend Aasland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/4/06, Marcus Macauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (If I felt like being nitpicky, I would point out two things. One, IMHO, > > the circle is still slightly too large. Not much, and arguably not at all, > > > Well, the only real exampl

Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)

2006-04-05 Thread Erlend Aasland
On 4/4/06, Marcus Macauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (If I felt like being nitpicky, I would point out two things. One, IMHO,the circle is still slightly too large. Not much, and arguably not at all,Well, the only real examples I've seen is the scans that Trevor sent me... It is no problem to make

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Pedro Kröger wrote: > > Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Hmmm; part of the problem might also stem from using CVS, which > > > doesn't have good cherry-picking for patches. > > > > would it be a solution to use darcs only f

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Apr-06, at 5:23 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Graham Percival wrote: In addition, if Erik's music streams are in place in 2.10, then users who don't want to manually upgrade syntax on old completed files have the option of using the streams (which is the whole point of them, right?) If

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: If we go this route, we could better do it right immediately, and setup a bzr/darcs/monotone/git/etc. based infrastructure rightaway. I mean, for the entire lilypond repository. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Pedro Kröger wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hmmm; part of the problem might also stem from using CVS, which doesn't have good cherry-picking for patches. would it be a solution to use darcs only for the manual? I know there are some ways of syncing darcs and cvs, so maybe

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival wrote: In addition, if Erik's music streams are in place in 2.10, then users who don't want to manually upgrade syntax on old completed files have the option of using the streams (which is the whole point of them, right?) If you look at it that way, wouldn't we be absolutely c

Re: implementation plan for music streams

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: // Collect all listener lists. struct { int prio; SCM list; } lists[num_classes+1]; int i = 0; for (SCM cl = class_list; cl != SCM_EOL; cl = scm_cdr (cl)) also, always use scm_is_pair() iso. checking for SCM_EOL.This will crash on malformed lists. -- H

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Apr-06, at 4:49 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Graham Percival wrote: If the hackers are fine with this, I'm certainly happy with this solution. I take it that we're still in the bug-fixing stage? (since 0 recently came out, we have a lot of new interest, finding more bugs, pointing out

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Pedro Kröger
Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmmm; part of the problem might also stem from using CVS, which > doesn't have good cherry-picking for patches. would it be a solution to use darcs only for the manual? I know there are some ways of syncing darcs and cvs, so maybe the doc stays in cv

Re: implementation plan for music streams

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Erik Sandberg wrote: Some known issues: - scm/define-event-classes.scm contains rather unsorted functions which are i'm missing that file. - The Stream_event class duplicates its 'context property with a context_ member; this was originally intended to give speedups, but it is broken in thi

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Pedro Kröger
Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> 5. Provide a unified documentation and mark features with a version >>number, say, > I suppose that this is possible... but IMO this would completely > clutter the manual with unnecessary info. I think that a compromise would work. Instead of ha

Re: implementation plan for music streams

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Erik Sandberg wrote: On Tuesday 04 April 2006 20.42, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I'd start with 4. because they're independent from the rest, and we can readily test the rest of those. I'm now reworking repeats. While I'm at it, I attempt to generally clean up the repeat code. No, better not. I

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival wrote: 2. -> we've been trying to do this for ages, and for the 2.8 it's almost worked (9 months). The real problem is that all hackers should agree on a single period were nothing but bugfixing happens. It might be a good thing to just use the Linux 2.6 model, where we have

beamed grace notes used in cues

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The bug report below surprisingly gives no warning. In real-life situations I get warning: junking event: `BeamEvent' \acciaccatura { f16[ g ] } Maybe there is a simple fix for it... Werner ==

Re: implementation plan for music streams

2006-04-05 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 20.42, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > I'd start with 4. because they're independent from the rest, and we can > readily test the rest of those. I'm now reworking repeats. While I'm at it, I attempt to generally clean up the repeat code. Plan: - Move some repeat C++ code from

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Apr-06, at 2:51 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Graham Percival wrote: 2. Much shorter devel periods (say, four months). New users still get confused and ask questions about things which I've already clarified, 3. Once a month, somebody goes through the tiresome process of sifting thro

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival wrote: 2. Much shorter devel periods (say, four months). New users still get confused and ask questions about things which I've already clarified, 3. Once a month, somebody goes through the tiresome process of sifting through differences between the devel and stable manuals

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On 5-Apr-06, at 12:45 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: 5. Provide a unified documentation and mark features with a version number, say, This feature appeared in version 2.7.38. Ideally, such things belong into the margin, but... I suppose that this is possible... but IMO this would comp

Re: doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> 4. For the first half of the development cycle, don't include new > features in the manual. New things get listed in NEWS, but only there. > I favor this solution. At first glance, it might suggest that new > features won't get documented well, but it should have the opposite > effect:

doc branching

2006-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
Hi all, In the past, there have been periods of half a year (or more) when Mats and I suggest that users should read the development manual instead of the stable manual. Most of the changes I make to the manual apply to the stable branch as well, but due to technical and time considerations,