Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-13 Thread Lawrence Rosen
A page at opensource.com defines "open source" as follows: The term "open source" refers to something people can modify and share because its design is publicly accessible. The term originated in the context of software development to designate a

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-12 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
ense-discuss@lists.opensource.org mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org>> Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 19:42 Lawrence Rosen Please comment directly on the 10-item W3C Royalty-Free License<https://www.w3.org/Consortium/P

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-11 Thread Bruce Perens
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 19:42 Lawrence Rosen > Please comment directly on the 10-item W3C Royalty-Free License > > requirements. Can you incorporate them somehow into the OSD? > I haven't evaluated them yet. It would probably b

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-11 Thread Lawrence Rosen
D that deals with both copyrights and patents? /Larry From: Bruce Perens Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 7:02 PM To: Lawrence Rosen ; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD Larry, Dave Rudin is in the group of supporte

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-11 Thread Bruce Perens
er > licenses." That is the entire purpose of "license-discuss@" rather than > "license-review@". I am obeying Simon Phipps and others when I moved this > discussion here. Indeed, it is a great place to discuss open standards, > royalty-free patents, and lots of

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-11 Thread Bruce Perens
It's always part of my talk: "Of course, we'd rather software patents went away entirely." On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 5:49 AM Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Lawrence Rosen dixit: > > >this phrase: "We want open standards, with royalty-free patents, for > >open source software." > > Actually, we want that

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Lawrence Rosen dixit: >this phrase: "We want open standards, with royalty-free patents, for >open source software." Actually, we want that patents don’t apply to software. bye, //mirabilos -- I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it when God enlightens him. Or o

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-10 Thread Lawrence Rosen
d, it is a great place to discuss open standards, royalty-free patents, and lots of open source software issues, before OSI acts on its own. From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Bruce Perens Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 12:56 AM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-10 Thread Bruce Perens
Nicholas, No problem. OSI is fighting in the standards arena and the EU with very well-funded entities that insist that Open Source is only about copyright and wish to assert their royalties on standard-essential patents when there is an Open Source implementation. The way they have gone about it

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD Nicholas Weinstein wrote: > But with patents only the first inventor gets patent protection, so there is > always a possibility that someone who has never contributed to the project > has a valid patent cove

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
Hi Bruce, I’m sorry, I think there’s a disconnect. I read Larry’s statement to be about the definition of Open Source Software, but you’re referring to standards and patents in standards. I didn’t intend to get into a discussion of standards. I don’t have a problem with Open Source Licenses t

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Bruce Perens
> > > *From:* Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock > *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 10:22 AM > *To:* license-discuss@lists.opensource.org; lro...@rosenlaw.com > *Subject:* RE: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD > > Lawrence Rosen wrote: > > > In

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison
Please copy freely. > > > From: Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:22 AM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org; lro...@rosenlaw.com > Subject: RE: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD > > Lawrence Rosen wrote: > >

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Lawrence Rosen
: RE: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD Lawrence Rosen wrote: Instead, as long as the five basic freedoms on the cover of my book are protected, software will be open source enough for me. That is why I have proposed this common definition: “Open sourc

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
Lawrence Rosen wrote: Instead, as long as the five basic freedoms on the cover of my book are protected, software will be open source enough for me. That is why I have proposed this common definition: “Open source software” means software actually distributed to the public under software

Re: [License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-09 Thread Jim Jagielski
Thank you for this. > On Nov 7, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > > The initial debate between RMS and the OSI founders was some confusing > nonsense over socialism vs. capitalism (in technical lingo as software > license language rather than politics). I was initially confused. I fou

[License-discuss] Open source software licenses and the OSD

2018-11-07 Thread Lawrence Rosen
The initial debate between RMS and the OSI founders was some confusing nonsense over socialism vs. capitalism (in technical lingo as software license language rather than politics). I was initially confused. I found myself in the capitalist tribe at OSI, although my socialist parents would have