Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread lrosen
The quotation from my 2005 Open Source Licensing book drew an update from Peter Deutsch. He asked that I update the history. Here it is: While your account was accurate for quite a few years, Artifex eventually abandoned the AFPL / GPL division, I believe because they found that it was a bit of

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread lrosen
[This email is BCC Peter Deutsch and Kyle Mitchell.] To: OSI License Discuss A bit of history about what you are calling “delayed source” in your recent emails. My friend, Peter Deutsch, invented what we then called “eventual licensing” for his Ghostscript software. This software was ma

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread Josh Berkus
On 10/25/23 21:30, JBC offsite wrote: I think Roland Turner may be suggesting that MariaDB falls into that class? Not MariaDB itself, which is GPL and has to be since it uses GPL MySQL code. I think maybe some of their tools are under the BuSL? They wrote the "license" but I've never been su

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread Richard Fontana
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:44 PM Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Hi license-discuss members, > > I'm working on a research project with Open Tech Strategies and the Open > Source Initiative, on the topic of delayed open source licensing. > > This refers to licensing models where a project is initially

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread Kat Walsh
Creative Commons did some research on "springing licenses" several years ago that may be of interest: https://creativecommons.org/about/legal-tools-licenses/springing-licenses/ -Kat On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:44 PM Seth David Schoen wrote: > Hi license-discuss members, > > I'm working on a resea

Re: [License-discuss] Evaluating the Enforceability of a License Should Not be a Criteria for OSI License Review

2023-10-26 Thread David Woolley
On 26/10/2023 11:16, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: In my experience, the enforceability of a license is derived from the ability to ensure that downstream distributors comply with the license's obligations, and not from the ability of the licensor to grant permission to make use of the licensed soft

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread Rob Landley
On 10/25/23 23:30, JBC offsite wrote: > I think Roland Turner may be suggesting that MariaDB falls into that class? MariaDB was a trauma response to Oratroll's acquisition of MySQL the same way Libre Office was a trauma reaction to Oratroll's acquisition of OpenOffice. (According to the creator of

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-26 Thread Rob Landley
On 10/25/23 23:01, Roland Turner via License-discuss wrote: > (replying on list as this seems in scope for license-discuss, although it > clearly wouldn't be for license-review) > > This is in an interesting question and one that I've been thinking about > lately > (in particular as a potentia

Re: [License-discuss] Evaluating the Enforceability of a License Should Not be a Criteria for OSI License Review

2023-10-26 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023, at 19:47, Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock wrote: > The same makes sense in the question of enforceability. If the license > is not able to grant the necessary rights because it is unenforceable, > how can it grant the rights necessary to satisfy the OSD? In my experience,