Re: [License-discuss] CAL clarification

2020-03-19 Thread VanL
Hi Nicholas, On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:44 PM Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock < nwein...@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote: > > 3.1. Permissions Granted > Conditioned on compliance with section 4, and subject to the limitations > of section 3.2, Licensor grants You the world-wide, royalty-free, > non-exclus

[License-discuss] CAL clarification

2020-03-19 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
Hello, I wanted to get clarification on section 3.1(b) of the Cryptographic Autonomy License. The relevant text from the license, as approved: 3.1. Permissions Granted Conditioned on compliance with section 4, and subject to the limitations of section 3.2, Licensor grants You the world-wide, r

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Henrik Ingo: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:22 PM Florian Weimer wrote: > >> I was a bit surprised to learn that the CAL was accepted, given that >> its copyleft extensions have the same major problem as the AGPL. > > Note that the CAL specifically does not share this problem. It simply > require

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread McCoy Smith
Or RPL 1.0 et seq > On Mar 19, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > > I'm tired of everyone forgetting OSL 3.0, as if AGPL is the only license > worth considering. Licensing bigots! /Larry > > > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of Florian Weimer > Sent: Th

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread Henrik Ingo
Larry, if it makes you feel any better, I always think of you during each of these email threads! henrik On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:29 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote: > I'm tired of everyone forgetting OSL 3.0, as if AGPL is the only license > worth considering. Licensing bigots! /Larry > > > -Ori

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Florian On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:22 PM Florian Weimer wrote: > I was a bit surprised to learn that the CAL was accepted, given that > its copyleft extensions have the same major problem as the AGPL. > > Note that the CAL specifically does not share this problem. It simply requires you to p

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread Lawrence Rosen
I'm tired of everyone forgetting OSL 3.0, as if AGPL is the only license worth considering. Licensing bigots! /Larry -Original Message- From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Florian Weimer Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:19 PM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: [License-disc

Re: [License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread VanL
Hi Florian, The CAL does not share the issue you identify with regard to the AGPL and GPLv1. You said: With that I do not mean the predominant use of the AGPL as a GPL > variant for open-core business models, but that the AGPL requires to > provide source code access over the network even if the

[License-discuss] Extending copyleft and out-of-the-box compliance

2020-03-19 Thread Florian Weimer
I was a bit surprised to learn that the CAL was accepted, given that its copyleft extensions have the same major problem as the AGPL. With that I do not mean the predominant use of the AGPL as a GPL variant for open-core business models, but that the AGPL requires to provide source code access ove

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Joshua R. Simmons
Thanks all for this discussion, I really appreciate how folks are engaging. It's edifying. I think we all know, at this point, that OSI is extremely limited in terms of organizational capacity. Our staff and board need to be laser focused with the use of our time in order to keep our programs humm

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Gil Yehuda via License-discuss
Tobie > I believe that to many open source practitioners, the meaning of open source is much broader than the OSD. It's even more complicated. The term _open source_ is also used by the intelligence industry too, and means something very different. Looking for open source jobs in the greater Wash

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:18 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Brian Behlendorf > wrote: > > Any long term community or institution unwilling to occasionally > reconsider any of its core principles is one doomed to eventual > irrelevance. The U.S. Constitution has been su

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread McCoy Smith
From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Gil Yehuda via License-discuss Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:43 AM To: Gil Yehuda via License-discuss Cc: Gil Yehuda Subject: Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements? One of the challenges the

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 5:17 PM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss < license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote: > I'd like to learn if either is in play as a motivation, or if it is > something else. Perhaps someone with insight into and speaks on behalf of > the Ethical Source Movement can help cla

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Gil Yehuda via License-discuss
I'd like to learn if either is in play as a motivation, or if it is something else. Perhaps someone with insight into and speaks on behalf of the Ethical Source Movement can help clarify. It makes a difference. Gil Yehuda: I help with external technology engagement On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:52

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:44 AM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss wrote: > tl;dr: What about the classification "Source-available" is insufficient for > the Ethical Source movement such that changing the OSD is seen as a benefit? > Why not proceed developing and enhancing the Ethical Source movem

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Gil Yehuda via License-discuss
One of the challenges the Ethical Source Movement will continue to face is related to 'ethical' their *nom de net*. But it appears to be a distraction for the issues being raised to this list. I urge people who care about ethics to pursue ethical pursuits. The questions posed here, however, have to

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread John Cowan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:17 AM Russell Nelson wrote: On 3/18/20 12:40 PM, John Cowan wrote: > Note that I am fully supportive of the position that there may be and > > are Open Source licenses, in the sense of meeting the OSD's terms, > > that are not OSI Certified (TM). > > Who decides that?

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Tobie Langel
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 18:41 McCoy Smith wrote: > So the claim that Josh or anyone from OSI has the ability to give better > data than that which the election results page shows everyone (or at least > everyone eligible to vote) would seem to be false. > Just to clarify, that wasn't a claim. It

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Russell Nelson
On 3/18/20 12:40 PM, John Cowan wrote: Note that I am fully supportive of the position that there may be and are Open Source licenses, in the sense of meeting the OSD's terms, that are not OSI Certified (TM). Who decides that? ___ License-discus

Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?

2020-03-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > > Any long term community or institution unwilling to occasionally reconsider > any of its core principles is one doomed to eventual irrelevance. The U.S. > Constitution has been successfully amended 27 times, with the first ten of