Re: 60-gary-remove-libltdl-subconfigury.patch [Was Re: configuring libltdl]

2003-11-27 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Friesenhahn wrote: | On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | | |>Bob Friesenhahn wrote: |> |>>The issues I mention are primarily philosophical and religious. |>>There is a subversive element of open source society that is willing |>>to use Aut

Re: 60-gary-remove-libltdl-subconfigury.patch [Was Re: configuring libltdl]

2003-11-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > > > The issues I mention are primarily philosophical and religious. > > There is a subversive element of open source society that is willing > > to use Autoconf and Libtool, but not Automake. The FreeType and > > libJPEG pro

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The issues I mention are primarily philosophical and religious. There > is a subversive element of open source society that is willing to use > Autoconf and Libtool, but not Automake. The FreeType and libJPEG > projects come to mind. Yup, I'm in tha

60-gary-remove-libltdl-subconfigury.patch [Was Re: configuring libltdl]

2003-11-26 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: The issues I mention are primarily philosophical and religious. There is a subversive element of open source society that is willing to use Autoconf and Libtool, but not Automake. The FreeType and libJPEG projects come to mind. If AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE is used, then Automake mus

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > > I don't really want to take on the burden of hand maintaining an enormous > generated Makefile.in, when maintaining a tiny Makefile.am and enhancing > automake a little to help with generation is possible. > > Why not try adding AC_REQUIRE([AM_INIT_AU

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-26 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Friesenhahn wrote: | On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | | |>On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:25PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: |> |>>If so, all we need is to add a call to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE to |>>AC_LIB_LTDL. Hmmm, but then if a non-au

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-26 Thread alain . bonnefoy
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:25PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > If so, all we need is to add a call to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE to > AC_LIB_LTDL. Hmmm, but then if a non-automake project calls > AC_LIB_LTDL, when they run autoreconf, it will run automake -a :-( Running automake in this case sounds s

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-26 Thread alain . bonnefoy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:07:53PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | |>I thought you meant that Bruno had a macro that did AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE-a-like |>AC_SUBSTing for gettext's needs, and that another similar macro could do

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:25PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > > If so, all we need is to add a call to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE to > > AC_LIB_LTDL. Hmmm, but then if a non-automake project calls > > AC_LIB_LTDL, when they run autoreconf, it will run

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:25PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | |>If so, all we need is to add a call to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE to |>AC_LIB_LTDL. Hmmm, but then if a non-automake project calls |>AC_LIB_LTDL, when they run aut

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:35:25PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > If so, all we need is to add a call to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE to > AC_LIB_LTDL. Hmmm, but then if a non-automake project calls > AC_LIB_LTDL, when they run autoreconf, it will run automake -a :-( Running automake in this case sounds sen

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:07:53PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | |>I thought you meant that Bruno had a macro that did AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE-a-like |>AC_SUBSTing for gettext's needs, and that another similar macro could do the

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > | On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > | > | There are a number of issues that would have to be handled in order to > | properly integrate libltdl configure/build int

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:07:53PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > > I thought you meant that Bruno had a macro that did AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE-a-like > AC_SUBSTing for gettext's needs, and that another similar macro could do the > necessary for libltdl. Would that it were so simple ;-) Wait a minute, w

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:31:10PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | |>| To support this you need to rewrite Makefile.in without Automake (as |>| Gettext does), or let these people AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS the selfcontained |>| libl

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:31:10PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > | To support this you need to rewrite Makefile.in without Automake (as > | Gettext does), or let these people AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS the selfcontained > | libltdl package. > > Okay. Since we are trying to get rid of AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS, w

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: | On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:39:10PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | |>Good point. As long as we ship Makefile.in (and libtoolize --ltdl installs |>only Makefile.in if $configure_ac has no reference to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE) that

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:39:10PM +, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > > Good point. As long as we ship Makefile.in (and libtoolize --ltdl installs > only Makefile.in if $configure_ac has no reference to AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE) that > should satisfy the autoconf/libtool only audience... Hmm... you can't use

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-25 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Friesenhahn wrote: | On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: | | There are a number of issues that would have to be handled in order to | properly integrate libltdl configure/build into the dependent | package's configure/build. Historically, t

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > | It seems to me that for packages which embed libtool and use libltdl, > | it is very trivial for the package's configure script to also > | configure libltdl. This is *much

Re: configuring libltdl

2003-11-24 Thread Gary V. Vaughan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Friesenhahn wrote: | It seems to me that for packages which embed libtool and use libltdl, | it is very trivial for the package's configure script to also | configure libltdl. This is *much* more efficient time-wise and | space-wise than a recursiv