Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included. a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Charles Wilson wrote: > Since autoconf (>= 2.56) will only work on systems whose shells support > shell functions, and libtool requires autoconf, then libtool will only > work on those same systems. Which means shell functions are available > and we *can* use them. Whether we

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included . a]

2002-11-07 Thread Charles Wilson
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: "Shall libtool-1.5 require autoconf-2.56?" I don't see that introducing shell functions into libtool has any bearing on the version of autoconf that libtool requires. The argument you pose is political rather than technical. Yes. The decision itself is a political

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included.a]

2002-11-07 Thread Robert Boehne
All, Hey, that's a relief, now we don't have to deal with this issue anymore. I would be in favor of a) leaving the shell functions in place, and b) making use of them more. Thanks, Robert Bruce Korb wrote: > > Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: > > > Bruce> ... 20 year old shells are [not] too o

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included. a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Charles Wilson wrote: > When will libtool-1.5 be released? Before or after ac-2.56? (given > that ac-2.55 will be released next week). > > Assuming that the autoconf people have not repudiated their plan to > integrate shell functions starting in 2.56, then the decision to us

libtool mailing list is whacky

2002-11-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
This afternoon I received some 60 email messages from various libtool lists. One of them was dated October 4! Can someone explain why the list server is so unreliable. Bob == Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included . a]

2002-11-07 Thread Charles Wilson
On the other hand, autoconf's most recent release sez (as ADL pointed out before I finished composing this message): ** Plans for 2.56 ... - shell functions Shell functions will gradually be introduced, probably starting with Autotest. If yo

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included. a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
My experience with developing software is that unless software has been tested, it is unlikely to actually work. While we may pretend that libtool supports 20 year old systems, the reality is that no one is testing to verify that libtool can actually execute on these systems. Exceedingly few of t

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included.a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Bruce Korb wrote: > Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: > > > Bruce> ... 20 year old shells are [not] too old for continued > > Bruce> support. Ick. How completely disgusting. > > > > Cheer up and read the Autoconf 2.54c announcement entirely :) > > You're right. I only read the f

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included.a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bruce Korb
Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote: > Bruce> ... 20 year old shells are [not] too old for continued > Bruce> support. Ick. How completely disgusting. > > Cheer up and read the Autoconf 2.54c announcement entirely :) You're right. I only read the first 100 lines or so. :-) This is a decade overdue.

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included.a]

2002-11-07 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Korb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] Bruce> neither Autoconf nor Libtool want to be the first to say Bruce> that 20 year old shells are too old for continued Bruce> support. Ick. How completely disgusting. Cheer up and read the Autoconf 2.54c announcement entirely :)

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included .a]

2002-11-07 Thread Bruce Korb
"Boehne, Robert" wrote: > >Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Jan, > > That actually brings up a big issue. I *assumed* that the win32 patches > using shell functions that were checked in would only have shell functions > when running under windows. I later saw this was not the case.

Re: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included . a]

2002-11-07 Thread Charles Wilson
Boehne, Robert wrote: and any WIN32 specific code can be only included when WIN32 is detected at run time (via ". some_here_document_containing_win32_shellfuncs") Until all the Autotool maintainers decide to abandon support for non-shell function bourne shells we need to support them as well.

[shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included .a]

2002-11-07 Thread Boehne, Robert
Title: [shell functions, was RE: solving of name conflicts in included .a] Jan, That actually brings up a big issue.  I *assumed* that the win32 patches using shell functions that were checked in would only have shell functions when running under windows.  I later saw this was not the case. 

internal dependencies

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Nall
hello. no one responded to my question regarding internal dependencies. i'd really appreciate some guidance on this issue. on GNU/Linux, if i have a package comprised of libfoo.so and libfoo-internal.so. i want applications to link only against libfoo.so, since the libfoo-internal.so interface m