Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-16 Thread Steven Locher
Hi Larry and Ken Von: "support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... is that Ken hit the nail on the head: > > > ... That's why I really feel uncertain about the "learning by > > building" part of such a short course - much of the learning comes > > from making mistakes, learning how to look at what you d

Re: VMware target triplet (was Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool)

2008-02-16 Thread Thomas Trepl
Am Samstag, 16. Februar 2008 09:41:12 schrieb Steven Locher: > Hi all > > Coming back to the problem with the target triplet on VMware: > > As I wrote above I have exactly the same problem as > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2006-December/032131. >html > > On my system, start

VMware target triplet (was Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool)

2008-02-16 Thread Steven Locher
Hi all Coming back to the problem with the target triplet on VMware: As I wrote above I have exactly the same problem as http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2006-December/032131.html On my system, started with LFS Live-CD, $ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: i486-pc-linux-

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Valter Douglas Lisbôa Jr.
On Friday 15 February 2008 19:35:56 Ken Moffat wrote: > Will I disagree ? For the book's users, I'm ambivalent about > testsuites - my experience is that they *can* show up serious > breakage. For people who ask for support here, much better that we > tell someone "sorry, your build is broken be

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:11:42PM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > Ken will disagree, but I'd say that for your class I wouldn't run the > testsuites, only the book's sanity checks. While running the toolchain > testsuites are vital if you want to ensure that your new system will > work properly,

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Steven Locher
addition to addition > > > > Looks like I need luck, or more time. In the step 5.7 Adjusting > > tool-chain I realized that in my VMware system "gcc -dumpmachine" > > gives i486-pc-linux-gnu! Why's that? > > > > The directory I made sofar under /tools is i686-pc-linux-gnu/ > > I saw the note on

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Steven Locher
In addition to my posting > Datum: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:31:36 +0100 > > Looks like I need luck, or more time. In the step 5.7 Adjusting > tool-chain I realized that in my VMware system "gcc -dumpmachine" > gives i486-pc-linux-gnu! Why's that? > > The directory I made sofar under /tools is i686-pc

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Steven Locher
Hi Dan Von: "Dan Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Steven Locher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Now my question, which tests are mandatory? You can guess why > > I'm asking ;-( > > Ken will disagree, but I'd say that for your class I wouldn't run the > te

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Steven Locher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all > > Von: Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:16:08PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > > > > > It is not for admins, but there is a chapter (2 weeks) reserved for > > > that. My i

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-15 Thread Steven Locher
Hello all Von: Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:16:08PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > > > It is not for admins, but there is a chapter (2 weeks) reserved for > > that. My idea is to get the basic system going during those 2 weeks. > > ... > > That is exactly what I

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Steven Locher
Hi Ken > Von: Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:16:08PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > > > It is not for admins, but there is a chapter (2 weeks) reserved for > > that. My idea is to get the basic system going during those 2 weeks. > > > > > > You also need to work ou

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:16:08PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > It is not for admins, but there is a chapter (2 weeks) reserved for > that. My idea is to get the basic system going during those 2 weeks. > > > > You also need to work out how much time > > > is actually available for your course

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Valter Douglas Lisbôa Jr.
On Monday 11 February 2008 20:38:16 Steven Locher wrote: > Hello Valter and Mauricio > > Von: "Valter Douglas Lisbôa Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Monday 11 February 2008 17:30:46 Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > > > > I'm a Linux Teacher too. > > I'm surprised to meet two mates in such a short time

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Steven Locher
Hello Valter and Mauricio Von: "Valter Douglas Lisbôa Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Monday 11 February 2008 17:30:46 Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > > I'm a Linux Teacher too. I'm surprised to meet two mates in such a short time! > > Operating Systems curses and also use LFS for personal porpuses

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Steven Locher
Hi all Thanks for the numerous comments! First of all, let me add some missing information: Von: "Dan Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Feb 11, 2008 12:54 PM, Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:00:45PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > > I got this great idea o

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Feb 11, 2008 12:54 PM, Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:00:45PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > > I am an IT instructor with allround experience in Unixes, like Solaris, > > FreeBSD, Slackware and Debain - but never had time for LFS. I used to teach > > C and Ja

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:00:45PM +0100, Steven Locher wrote: > I am an IT instructor with allround experience in Unixes, like Solaris, > FreeBSD, Slackware and Debain - but never had time for LFS. I used to teach C > and Java at the junior level in a university. > > My next subject is going to

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Valter Douglas Lisbôa Jr.
On Monday 11 February 2008 17:30:46 Mauricio Henriquez wrote: > Hi Steve: Hi to both! I'm a Linux Teacher too. > > I am an IT instructor in the Universidad Austral de Chile and I have to > dictate Operating Systems curses and also use LFS for personal porpuses > and a big YES is a very good choice

Re: Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Mauricio Henriquez
Hi Steve: I am an IT instructor in the Universidad Austral de Chile and I have to dictate Operating Systems curses and also use LFS for personal porpuses and a big YES is a very good choice for a teaching tool, the studients like the clear approach of the book, the precision and is very entert

Is LFS is a good idea as a OS (Linux) teaching tool

2008-02-11 Thread Steven Locher
I am an IT instructor with allround experience in Unixes, like Solaris, FreeBSD, Slackware and Debain - but never had time for LFS. I used to teach C and Java at the junior level in a university. My next subject is going to be Operating Systems where Linux is going to be the area of application