From Where to start Building Binaries

2005-12-21 Thread Feldmeier Bernd
Hi all, Well, if have a little bit different question. As I dont want to install any development tools in chapter 6 final LFS to keep the rootfs small for embedded purpose, is it okay to always use the /tools toolchain in temp chroot system for e.g. BLFS creation?? l also need to change the PAT

Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Feldmeier Bernd
Hi all, as asked before, why dont we devide chapter 6 packages into -- essential / devel (optional) packages?? The devel packages could be a sub chapter of LFS chap 6 and marked as optional install. packages e.g. gcc, perl ... Doing so we can use the temp self hosted chroot chap 5 toolchain/sys

Re: sudo installed binaries

2005-12-21 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 12/21/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, I killed 2 birds with one stone and added visudo and removed the > sed. However, I currently have no graphical browser with which to look > at the output before commit. The relevant page is at: > > http://linuxfromscratch.org/~archaic/blfs-boo

Re: From Where to start Building Binaries

2005-12-21 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:17:02PM +0100, Feldmeier Bernd wrote: > > Well, if have a little bit different question. You have a question that you cross posted to many lists. Read the FAQ, search the mail archives, and stop cross posting. -- Archaic Want control, education, and security from you

Re: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:33:24PM +0100, Feldmeier Bernd wrote: > > This could really lead to a clean target rootfs approach > without the need of any devel tools ... Which would be completely against the stated goal of LFS. -- Archaic Want control, education, and security from your operatin

Re: Firefox configure options

2005-12-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 12/21/05 09:27 CST: > Sorry, that's speculative crap. You might just have to build with it > and see what the difference is. I wouldn't mind doing the building and testing, as many times as I will be in and out of the house doing X-mas shopping today. However I

AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Feldmeier Bernd
Hi, Well, Archaic as subjected before we could discuss that. I think it is absolutely not against the goal of LFS, because pointing out how a sane working system can be created has nothing to do with any dev-tools installed. Further more I would like to her some comments from others on this tou

Re: Firefox/T-Bird/Moz (looking for community input)

2005-12-21 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Andrew Benton wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> One place to look is modules/oji/tests/build/README: >> > > People hacking on mozillas java integration are probably capable of > writing their own mozconfig and thus can set a default-mozilla-five-home > for themselves. Does it really need to be a d

Re: AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Staub
Feldmeier Bernd wrote: Hi, Well, Archaic as subjected before we could discuss that. I think it is absolutely not against the goal of LFS, because pointing out how a sane working system can be created has nothing to do with any dev-tools installed. Further more I would like to her some comme

AW: AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Feldmeier Bernd
Ok we all know about that nice hint, but my intend is also educational as well. Stating out what is essential and what is optional is really of technical nature. The problem for me was many month ago to get to know why we do include this pack besides the fact of dependency. A sane system doesn n

Re: AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Feldmeier Bernd wrote these words on 12/21/05 09:44 CST: > absolutely not against the goal of LFS, > because pointing out how a sane working > system can be created has nothing to do > with any dev-tools installed. A "sane working system". Is this what you call a bare-bones just-finished LFS bui

AW: AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Feldmeier Bernd
If you call this that way ok. But marking some packs as optional that is really educational in my mind. The user can decide wether to include that not essential stuff like devel-packs ... regards -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Ran

Re: AW: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Jeff Cousino
LFS is source code based distro. So compilers are required. You can't compare it to binary distros. I would suggest you take what you like from LFS and Gregs DIY. Develop a build environment and create what ever kind of binary image you want. But you really shouldn't demand others to do all the wo

Re: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:06:53 +0100 "Feldmeier Bernd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you call this that way ok. > But marking some packs as optional > that is really educational in my mind. > > The user can decide wether to include that > not essential stuff like devel-packs ... > > Bernd, We

Re: From Where to start Building Binaries

2005-12-21 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Archaic wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:17:02PM +0100, Feldmeier Bernd wrote: Well, if have a little bit different question. You have a question that you cross posted to many lists. Read the FAQ, search the mail archives, and stop cross posting. I generally agree with all the comments t

Re: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Matthew Burgess
Richard A Downing wrote: Bernd, We've all tried to be friendly, but you are abusing our patience. WILL YOU FOR GOTTS SAKE STOP TOP POSTING and learn how to trim your quotes. In addition, Bernd, please find an email client that does whatever is necessary to allow sane clients to thread repli

RE: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-21 Thread Jeremy Herbison
> Archaic Wrote: > > Is it a warning or does it not run the tests? Or do the tests run and > fail? > They run anyhow... execscript for example simply has this in it: if [ $UID -eq 0 ]; then echo "execscript: the test suite should not be run as root" >&2 fi I don't know how running as ro

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-21 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Jeremy Herbison wrote: > I don't know how running as root skews the results, though. I know > the tests all pass as-is. It's possible that they do something that's maybe-unsafe when they get run as root. I don't know for sure, though; I haven't looked into it at all. Just saying that this is one

Re: Bash testsuite should not be run as root

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Gifford
I posted a solution in lfs-support. Here is it In my testing with Cross-LFS, I have found that this works echo "dummy1:x:1000:" >> /etc/group echo "dummy:x:1000:1000:::/bin/bash" >> /etc/passwd cd tests su dummy -c "sh run-all" sed -i '/dummy/d' /etc/passwd /etc/group rm /tmp/* -- -- [EMAIL

LFS-alphabetical: groff before perl

2005-12-21 Thread Dan Nicholson
Who hates the perl build system? I do, I do. OK, so this is very strange and may not be necessary and others don't seem to have this issue, but... When building perl in Ch. 6 of the LFS ALPHABETICAL-20051216, I kept getting the man pages installed in the root directory. This was very obnoxious,

Re: [ANNOUNCE]: LFS LiveCD x86-6.2-pre2 Released

2005-12-21 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > The LFS LiveCD team is proud to announce a new pre-release version of > the LiveCD. Speaking of LiveCD... On the mirrors we have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /srv/ftp/LFS-LiveCD]$ ll -R total 2299984 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 370 Dec 20 22:32 MD5SUMS -rw

[ANNOUNCE]: LFS LiveCD x86-6.2-pre2 Released

2005-12-21 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Hello Everyone, The LFS LiveCD team is proud to announce a new pre-release version of the LiveCD. Since this version of the LiveCD is tracking the LFS development instructions and is slated for release when the current LFS development book becomes stable, there will likely be many changes bet

xorg X11R7.0

2005-12-21 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Well the new modular X has been released. Perhaps its a bit early, but I took a look at http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/src/ and don't know how we are going to approach it. It looks like there are over 100 separate packages. The Developers guide is at http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ModularD

Re: xorg X11R7.0

2005-12-21 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 07:13:23PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Do we have anyone on the list that has started to look at this? Thomas Pegg has a general structure up already. He just mentioned it in livecd (don't have the email handy to provide a link, though). -- Archaic Want control, educa

devel book, gcc 4.0.2 2nd pass fail

2005-12-21 Thread Wade Nelson
http://pastebin.com/474591 2nd pass of gcc 4.0.2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/lfs/tools $ echo 'main(){}' > dummy.c [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/lfs/tools $ cc dummy.c [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/lfs/tools $ readelf -l a.out | grep ': /tools' [Requesting program interpreter: /tools/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.s

RE: devel book, gcc 4.0.2 2nd pass fail

2005-12-21 Thread Joel Miller (RIT Student)
Wade Nelson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/lfs/tools $ readelf -l a.out | grep ': /tools' > [Requesting program interpreter: /tools/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2] > have been following devel book verbatim, except using --disable-multilib > for 1st & 2nd pass gcc compiles > > host system is: >