Re: gcc4 and glibc-2.3.x

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Tushar Teredesai wrote: I am with Archaic. If the stable releases of some packages (especially something as critical as glibc) are not gcc4 ready, perhaps we have been hasty in upgrading to gcc4? I know you placed emphasis on glibc, but waiting for all packages to release gcc4 compatible vers

Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Hi guys, As you know, I'm still a little unsure of how the udev and hotplug things all hang together (or not as the case may be!). Recent developments in udev suggest that the hotplug package might not be required anymore as udev can handle hotplug events itself. However, RELEASE-NOTES says

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Incidentally, I'd love for someone to draw a nice looking graphic to > show how kernel events, udev, hotplug, modules, etc. are all related and > how they function together. If a similar graphic could be drawn without > the hotplug component in there, a direct comparison

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Richard A Downing wrote: No, but I'll buy beer (possibly even Vodka) for anyone who does it (you travel to my pub). Ah, funny you should mention that...see lfs-chat for the details! Isn't it strange how every other engineering disipline goes in for lots of useful diagrams, but as soon as you

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Matthew Burgess wrote: As you know, I'm still a little unsure of how the udev and hotplug things all hang together (or not as the case may be!). Recent developments in udev suggest that the hotplug package might not be required anymore as udev can handle hotplug events itself. Right. But it

cpio-2.6 fails to build testsuite

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Hi guys, As reported and confirmed in the thread at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/blfs-support/2005-September/056510.html, cpio-2.6 fails to build the testsuite using a gcc-4.0.1 compiler. A solution is also given in that email, which has also been verified as correct by Alexande

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/19/05 09:21 CST: > Isn't it strange how every other engineering disipline goes in for lots > of useful diagrams, but as soon as you get to the OpenSource movement > everything MUST BE just words. Nuts. Understanding is more important > than Sacred Gnus !

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Ag Hatzim
Randy McMurchy([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 09:54:08AM -0500: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/19/05 09:21 CST: > > > Isn't it strange how every other engineering disipline goes in for lots > > of useful diagrams, but as soon as you get to the OpenSource movement > > everythi

Re: cpio-2.6 fails to build testsuite

2005-09-19 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Hi guys, > > As reported and confirmed in the thread at > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/blfs-support/2005-September/056510.html, > cpio-2.6 fails to build the testsuite using a gcc-4.0.1 compiler. A > solution is also given in that email, which has also been v

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Joshua Murphy
On 9/19/05, Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: ... > Ah, but now we have the catch-22. One needs the understanding in order > to be able to draw the diagram. Those that have the understanding don't > need the diagram! > > Regards, > > Matt. that just sings po

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Jason Gurtz
On 9/19/2005 10:54, Randy McMurchy wrote: > http://www.gtkmm.org/jhbuild_dot_gnomemm.png That's sick man! ~Jason -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/19/05 09:21 CST: > > >>Isn't it strange how every other engineering disipline goes in for lots >>of useful diagrams, but as soon as you get to the OpenSource movement >>everything MUST BE just words. Nuts. Understanding is more i

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Bryan Kadzban
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 05:24:01PM +0100, Richard A Downing wrote: > Anyone got a similar KDE photo? Not exactly, but this is a lame ASCII-art version, based on current BLFS (SVN) dependencies: | | || +---+---+---++ | kdebase

FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Hey Guys, The FAQ needs some attention. And it would be nice if we had someone to maintain it regularly again. For example: "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs There are several reasons why the kernel might be unable to mount the root filesystem. * Did you specify the c

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 09/19/05 13:55 CST: > There are others that are just as outdated. Anyway, just thought I'd > mention it. I don't have the time to put into it, but perhaps someone > else does? Months ago I volunteered to Matt to maintain the FAQ, but he politely said that it

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Justin Knierim
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: There are others that are just as outdated. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. I don't have the time to put into it, but perhaps someone else does? I would volunteer but feel unfit for the job as I don't do much support via lfs-support or #lfs-support. Until then I

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Justin Knierim wrote these words on 09/19/05 14:20 CST: [snip] Is the clock on your machine perhaps running about 20 minutes fast? -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 14:04:00 up 170 days, 13:

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Randy McMurchy wrote: Months ago I volunteered to Matt to maintain the FAQ, but he politely said that it didn't need a maintainer and to just in patches to -dev for any updates I felt might be needed. Hrm. That sounds somewhat familiar. Though I had forgotten it if I had read it. Well, the

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Randy McMurchy wrote: Justin Knierim wrote these words on 09/19/05 14:20 CST: [snip] Is the clock on your machine perhaps running about 20 minutes fast? Justin actually lives in the future. You didn't know? ;) -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromsc

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 09/19/05 13:55 CST: There are others that are just as outdated. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. I don't have the time to put into it, but perhaps someone else does? Months ago I volunteered to Matt to maintain the FAQ, but he po

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 09/19/05 14:29 CST: > Wow, I must have been in an "Thou shalt not delegate anything" mood at > the time! If you are still willing to maintain it, that'd be great, if > not I'll open the position up for someone else to take on. Not sure it was like that, but

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Matthew Burgess wrote: Wow, I must have been in an "Thou shalt not delegate anything" mood at the time! If you are still willing to maintain it, that'd be great, if not I'll open the position up for someone else to take on. Randy would need to be added to the svnwww and lfswww groups. -- J

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Randy McMurchy wrote: Anyway, sure, I'm volunteering again. :-) OK, that's great, thanks. You've now got commit privs to the website repository (www2), so feel free to tackle it whenever you have the time. If you're not subscribed to website@linuxfromscratch.org, you might want to do tha

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Matthew Burgess
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Randy would need to be added to the svnwww and lfswww groups. Is lfswww still being used for website stuff? If so I'd rather it die a quick death by having any scripts or other files to be owned by svnwww instead. Regards, Matt. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailm

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Matthew Burgess wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Randy would need to be added to the svnwww and lfswww groups. Is lfswww still being used for website stuff? If so I'd rather it die a quick death by having any scripts or other files to be owned by svnwww instead. Yes, I believe it's still b

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Justin Knierim
Randy McMurchy wrote: Is the clock on your machine perhaps running about 20 minutes fast? Thanks a lot Randy, it was indeed fast. Fixed now. Justin -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: RFC - Cross-LFS Future

2005-09-19 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jim Gifford wrote: After some discussion with Gerard, he has requested I prepare a proposal to the LFS community concerning the Cross-LFS book. Have we reached any sort of decision with this? Gerard, Matt, Jim? -- JH -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linux

[OT] Urlich Drepper's viewpoint on LSB

2005-09-19 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
"Do you still think the LSB has some value?" http://www.livejournal.com/users/udrepper/8511.html -- Alexander E. Patrakov -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: FAQ Maintainer?

2005-09-19 Thread Anderson Lizardo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Matthew Burgess wrote: > >> Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> >>> Randy would need to be added to the svnwww and lfswww groups. >> >> >> >> Is lfswww still being used for website stuff? If so I'd rather it die >> a quick death by hav

Re: RFC - Cross-LFS Future

2005-09-19 Thread Jim Gifford
Haven't heard anything except for the community's feedback. I know Gerard has received the message and is reviewing it, per our conversation over the weekend. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] LFS User # 2577 Registered Linux User # 299986 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/li

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Matthew Burgess wrote: Incidentally, I'd love for someone to draw a nice looking graphic to show how kernel events, udev, hotplug, modules, etc. are all related and how they function together. If a similar graphic could be drawn without the hotplug component in there, a direct comparison woul

Cross-LFS: Diff for materials page

2005-09-19 Thread Justin R. Knierim
Hi guys, While building the ftp repo, I found a incorrectly built link, and also a couple patches out of alphabetical order. Here is a svn diff. Justin Index: materials/sparc64/patches.xml === --- materials/sparc64/patches.xml

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Andrew Benton
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Note that /sbin/hotplug is NOT on this diagram, because we immediately set the hotplug handler in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug to /sbin/udevsend In my experience it doesn't matter what's in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. I've tested this with - I switch the computer of