Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-23 Thread Jeremy Utley
Greg Schafer wrote: Jeremy Utley wrote: Greg's still focusing on strictly x86 builds The key difference is that I only publish what I can test. Think about it. Your claims of LFS "support" for other arches up until now is bogus. But the multi-arch XML approach is a good move. Then my LFS

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-23 Thread Greg Schafer
Jeremy Utley wrote: > Greg's still focusing on strictly x86 builds The key difference is that I only publish what I can test. Think about it. Your claims of LFS "support" for other arches up until now is bogus. But the multi-arch XML approach is a good move. > I followed Greg's work for quite s

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-18 Thread TheOldFellow
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Matthew Burgess wrote: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>>I suppose though we'll need 2 host compilers, we'll need a 3.4 for >>>the kernel builds etc >> >>Why? > > > I'm just guessing here, but I would bet that it'll be similar to the gcc > 2.95 / gcc 3.X upgrade. The

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-18 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Matthew Burgess wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I suppose though we'll need 2 host compilers, we'll need a 3.4 for >> the kernel builds etc > > Why? I'm just guessing here, but I would bet that it'll be similar to the gcc 2.95 / gcc 3.X upgrade. The kernel documentation said to use 2.95

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-18 Thread Matthew Burgess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose though we'll need 2 host compilers, we'll need a 3.4 for the kernel builds etc Why? -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-17 Thread Ryan . Oliver
TheOldFellow wrote: >Jeremy Utley wrote: >> TheOldFellow wrote: >> >> >>>Yes, my intention was to show some alternatives and provoke a >dicussion. > >> If you like examining scripts for ideas, try taking a look at >these: >> >> svn co svn://be-linux.org/cross-lfs/cross-lfs/trunk cross-lfs > >J

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-17 Thread TheOldFellow
Jeremy Utley wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote: > > >>Yes, my intention was to show some alternatives and provoke a dicussion. > If you like examining scripts for ideas, try taking a look at these: > > svn co svn://be-linux.org/cross-lfs/cross-lfs/trunk cross-lfs Jeremy, Thanks, I've DLed that. Wh

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Jeremy Utley
TheOldFellow wrote: > >Yes, my intention was to show some alternatives and provoke a dicussion. > I do not propose that you just copy the script - the LFS aims are quite >different from Greg's - no reason you can't examine them for good ideas >though. > > With the new build process being worked

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Matthew Burgess wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote: > >> However it's the LFS new technology gestation period that gets me down. >> And I only have i686 boxes :-( > > > This isn't meant to sound as harsh as it's going to. I bet my skin is tougher than yours! But, if you don't > like the length o

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote: > > >>Actually, since you ask, 35 years ago I had such fun with a teletype, >>Dartmouth College Basic (I still have the manual) and a time-sharing >>mainframe (Kent On-Line System), that I joined the industry. > > > On-Line System? Wow. I would have

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Um. No... there's still the trunk branch Did I just say 'trunk branch'? Ugh. Someone slap me upside the head please... -- Jeremy H. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Andrew Benton
Jeremy Utley wrote: And the simple fact is, GCC 4.0 is not quite yet ready for integration into the LFS book - it probably won't be until 4.0.3 or thereabouts. But still, it would be nice to have a crack at chewing on the bugs -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://ww

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jeremy Utley wrote: But there's still the lengthy community decision process to deal with before it makes it into rendered XML. That was the whole crux of the Unstable branch of LFS, so those of us who were interested in playing with that stuff could do so easily. Now that's gone :( And the s

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread John Gnew
Bruce Dubbs wrote: TheOldFellow wrote: Actually, since you ask, 35 years ago I had such fun with a teletype, Dartmouth College Basic (I still have the manual) and a time-sharing mainframe (Kent On-Line System), that I joined the industry. On-Line System? Wow. I would have given a lot fo

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Jeremy Utley
Matthew Burgess wrote: TheOldFellow wrote: However it's the LFS new technology gestation period that gets me down. And I only have i686 boxes :-( This isn't meant to sound as harsh as it's going to. But, if you don't like the length of time it takes to get new technology into LFS then post

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Matthew Burgess
TheOldFellow wrote: However it's the LFS new technology gestation period that gets me down. And I only have i686 boxes :-( This isn't meant to sound as harsh as it's going to. But, if you don't like the length of time it takes to get new technology into LFS then post *patches* to the XML bo

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Bruce Dubbs
TheOldFellow wrote: > Actually, since you ask, 35 years ago I had such fun with a teletype, > Dartmouth College Basic (I still have the manual) and a time-sharing > mainframe (Kent On-Line System), that I joined the industry. On-Line System? Wow. I would have given a lot for that capability i

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Jeremy Utley wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote: > >> >> Fair comment. My earlier posts in LFS-Support in reply to an OP who was >> interested in gcc-4 had the links in. But thanks for repeating them. >> I'm attempting to stimulate some interest in moving LFS forwards. >> >> > It won't be long before

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Randy McMurchy wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote these words on 04/16/05 14:12 CST: > > >>I had no difficulty building a reasonably stable gcc-4/glibc-2.3.5 >>system that carried BLFS with just a few patches all the way up to a >>gnome build (with a few oddities in gnome, I admit, but that's usual >>wi

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
TheOldFellow wrote these words on 04/16/05 14:12 CST: > I had no difficulty building a reasonably stable gcc-4/glibc-2.3.5 > system that carried BLFS with just a few patches all the way up to a > gnome build (with a few oddities in gnome, I admit, but that's usual > with my gnome builds) plus the

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Jeremy Utley
TheOldFellow wrote: Fair comment. My earlier posts in LFS-Support in reply to an OP who was interested in gcc-4 had the links in. But thanks for repeating them. I'm attempting to stimulate some interest in moving LFS forwards. It won't be long before LFS is far beyond Greg's build process. Gr

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Matthew Burgess wrote: > > Once I'm done with the remaining 6.1 issues I'll set up a branch for > this so we can get this dealt with. I still don't think there's any > particular rush though, seeing as though they've still got an RC2 to > release, then the real release, and getting upstream devs

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
Andrew Fyfe wrote: > If your going to reference Greg's work at least include a link to the > full documentation (http://www.diy-linux.org/x86-reference-build/), it > includes comments explaining the reasons for the various choices Greg > has made for doing things certain ways. He also has a page on

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Andrew Fyfe
Joel Miller wrote: sed -i.bak \ -e 's,\./fixinc\.sh,-c true,' \ -e '/^LIBGCC2_DEBUG/d' gcc/Makefile.in Then again, the above sed looks more like the fixincludes patch as I think it prevents the fixincludes process from running. Greg chose to replace the simple patches like the fixincludes

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Andrew Fyfe
If your going to reference Greg's work at least include a link to the full documentation (http://www.diy-linux.org/x86-reference-build/), it includes comments explaining the reasons for the various choices Greg has made for doing things certain ways. He also has a page on the web site (http://w

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Matthew Burgess
Joel Miller wrote: TheOldFellow wrote: A bit of a disclaimer before I try to pick apart this script a little. Personally, I think you've looked at the script at far too low a level. The book will continue to advocate not setting CFLAGS, or any other such environment changes unless it is *absolu

Re: Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread Joel Miller
TheOldFellow wrote: A bit of a disclaimer before I try to pick apart this script a little. All internal politics discussions aside, I greatly respect Greg's technical prowess, and my trying to make changes to a script by some one who knows a lot more than me will probably break things. That sai

Ready for gcc-4 & cleaning up binutils source delete or not.

2005-04-16 Thread TheOldFellow
I think it might be time to get ready for the imminent release of gcc-4. The key thing that needs to be fixed in the (unstable) book is the management of gcc's specs. I've learnt quite a bit about this from Greg Shafer's scripts, and attached you'll find a somewhat LFS-ised set of instructions wi